> Cc: Keith Moore <moore@xxxxxxxxxx>, ietf@xxxxxxxx > From: Keith Moore <moore@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: Vernon Schryver <vjs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>> If that is an issue, it ought to be raised by those who are being > >>> misled, the targets of mail, instead of senders and other third > >>> parties. > >> > >> it IS being raised by them, for those who are actually able to figure > >> out what's going on. of course, when the recipient doesn't receive > >> the > >> mail he's expecting, he has no idea where to look - so he tends to > >> blame the sender. > > > > Keith Moore is not complaining about mail he has not received because > > of the dasterdly misinformation from the RBL. He is either a third > > party sender of reject mail that he is certain was wanted by its > > targets > > despite being rejected or he is a fourth party presuming to speak for > > the first parties (spam targets) against the second parties (blacklist > > providers). > > You are a barefaced liar. How so in that assertion of mine? Unless I missed something that seems unlikely, Keith Moore is not complaining about mail he has failed to receive. He surely would not have been misled by blacklist operators into configuring his SMTP servers to use one of their evil nasty cheating lying dishonest fraudulent unhealthy fattening cancer-causing end-to-end principle breaking RBLs. The remaining possibilities are that he writing is on behalf of himself as a sender of rejected mail or he is a fourth party presuming to speak for the people actually involved, senders, receivers, and blacklist operators. I admit that I would not be surprised if his opinion of anti-spam blacklists was informed long ago when some of his more or less innocent mail was rejected with a reference to MAPS's RBL. I've no evidence of that except his use of archaic jargon and what his "courtesy copies" and statements about how I've configured my SMTP server show of his views of those who would be happier with fewer of his words. Concerning how I've configured my SMTP server--Juging from the headers of the IETF list messages, today it has rejected 2 copies of "and the horse you rode in on" and one copy of "You are a barefaced liar." That seems like a Good Thing(tm), but perhaps not enough. Vernon Schryver vjs@xxxxxxxxxxxx