Yakov
Hector Santos wrote:
First, I hope I am reaching the right people.
This is regards to the public ASRG posting:
https://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/working-groups/asrg/current/msg08843.html
So much with the spirit of the internet. I didn't receive fair warning as Yakov said it himself, "my mail was being rejected by your system." In addition, if one was to follow all conversations, it is obvious I was reacting more than flaming. I was the one were being flamed and attacked, yet, there is no warnings issues to those individuals.
This action by the ASRG chairs is demeaning and has hurt my defamed and reputation with the public disclosure of this ban. This public posting was not necessary and I will be speaking to legal counsel about this matter as soon as possible. Any damaging effect on us as a result of this public post will be directly attributed to Yahov Shafranovich, Solid Matrix Technologies Inc, John Levine and the IETG.
With that said, pursuant to the process detailed in RFC-2026 section 6.5, I appeal the IETF and IAB, the ASRG chair(s) decision: "Revocation of posting privileges for Hector Santos" for the following reasons:
a) From the onset, specific members antagonistic nature towards my mail posting was very apparent. If you follow all my messages, I had refrained from being combative and tried my upmost to keep a professional level of input. Whether my Hispanic surname has anything do with it, I don't know. But its been a constant antagonistic reaction from the very first time I posted mail.
b) It is my nature to follow all rules of a system, so if I was given a warning I would have made sure I was in compliance. I did not receive any warning.
c) I never receive any negative indication or warning that I was "promoting" our CBV system. My only goal here was to show a real life operation and behavior, something that is lacking in the research efforts. I was beyond the theory of ideas or proposals. I wanted to implement them. I wanted to put these ideas to a real test. I saw nothing wrong with this and I attempted to provide feedback whether I thought would help others.
d) The moderator of ASRG had ask me for input by providing 2 weeks of real production statistics. This indicates interest in the behavior of the CBV system. Whether that gave me the wrong idea, I don't know, but it did show some interest. Ironically, no reaction or message came of it when I did post my initial post 2 week report.
e) The moderator of ASRG was kept in the loop for the last 2-3 weeks during the test. I never received any indication that he did not wish to receive this information, and in fact, he some cases, he responded to some of the reports. If he did not believe in the CBV or did not private gamma testing reports, it would of been prudent of him to inform me. He did not provide any indication he was not interested in the testing results.
In summary, I don't think I was treated fairly. There was immediate antagonistic behavior towards me from the beginning, months before the CBV system was introduced. There were individuals who initiated attacks and flames towards me, in fact, one, a message from Phillip Miller acknowledged and apologized "I should have not said certain things." Yet, I never saw any warning issues toward them and I never received any warning indicating my mail would be censored or blocked. Finally, I don't believe I was acting in any way harmful to the ASRG and certainly no more or no less than other postings found in the forum. Because of this, I believe there was discriminatory overtone that was probably due to my Hispanic surname. I don't wish to go there, but I have seen it before and I don't wish to believe that was the case here. But it was too attacks were too immediate to ignore it could not be a reason.
So I am asking the Area Director and IAB to help resolve this dispute. I have no interest in debates and arguments and from my standpoint will promise from refrain from other individuals wish to continue to attack or flame me. If such behavior from others continue, it is incumbent on the moderator of the group to control this situation equally across the board for all participants involved and to provide amply direct warnings before any action of this nature is taken.
In short, I was not given fair and ample warning and it is certainly not fair for the Moderator to revoke my priverledges without being able to contact me first and then issue a public defaming reputation demaging message.
I seek resoluton with the following actions taken:
1) At a minimum, immediate removal of the public demeaning and reputation damaging posted message announcing the revocation of posting privileges in the public ASRG archive. If you going to censor or block my messages, that should include the public defamation as well by the ASRG and responsible parties.
2) Re-establishing posting privileges with the understanding I will be making sure to comply and follow all ASRG guidelines, and in addition publically refrain from getting involved in antigonistic attacks or flames.
Sincerely,
Hector Santos, CTO Santronics Software, Inc. http://www.santronics.com 305-431-2846 Cell 305-248-3204 Office
----- Original Message ----- From: "Yakov Shafranovich" <research@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Hector Santos" <winserver.support@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "John R Levine" <asrg@xxxxxxxxx>; "ASRG" <asrg@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 3:16 AM
Subject: [Asrg] 0. General - Revocation of Posting Privileges for Hector
Santos
Hector,
As per section 5.3 of RFC 2014, the chairs have made a decision to revoke your posting privileges to the ASRG discussion list. This decision was made because you have continued to ignore the scope of the ASRG list and posting guidelines, continued to promote your CBV system, and personally attacked other list members.
As has been the case before with Mark McCarron
(https://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/working-groups/asrg/current/msg06363.htm l),
if you can stay in scope, and stop flaming, we may conditionally allow you to have posting privileges again.
Information about managing your subscription to the list, may be found
here:
https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
Sincerely, Yakov Shafranovich Co-Chair, ASRG
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Wasted time? Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:40:14 -0500 From: Hector Santos <winserver.support@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Organization: Santronics Software, Inc To: Anti-Spam <asrg@xxxxxxxx>, Yakov Shafranovich
<research@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
I don't wish to be wasting time providing any feedback or information or comments if I am going to censored. I posted mail that never was distributed.
Please let me know if I am allowed to post in the group. It is a simple Yes or No answer. If no, simply remove me from the list and don't send me any list mail.
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