Re: Never-ending arguments about mailing lists considered harmful (was: Re: Adding [ietf] considered harmful)

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John,

 

JCK> Since the secretariat is

JCK> operating with very tight resources (something else that has

JCK> been in enough documents and presentations that I assume/hope

JCK> everyone knows), it is in _our_ advantage to let them automate

JCK> anything they can sensibly automate without causing _severe_

JCK> problems. Conversely, asking for things that might take large

JCK> amounts of time and energy (such as per-user setting of tag

JCK> fields or application of spam filtering), is, IMO, pretty lousy

JCK> prioritization.

 

Let's take this a bit further: For any suggestion involving computing

and/or communication functionality, proposals should come with the

resources to do the major work, where the Secretariat only has to

provide some interface information.

 

 

JCK> (iii) I am, personally, getting concerned that the IETF is

JCK> approaching the point where we are more concerned about process

JCK> and administration than we are about doing high-quality design

 

yup.

 

 

So, here is a simple suggestion for anyone proposing anything in the

IETF:

 

          Explain what real and significant problem it responds to and what

          it will take to develop and operate it. Who must do the work,

          what are their incentives for doing it and why should we believe

          they will be successful at doing it anytime soon?

 

          Interestingly, this applies both to protocol design suggestions

          and to IETF process revision.

 

We need to start focusing on small sets of essential, near-term

problems, with core, near-term solutions. As a group, we have zero

success with any other approach.

 

d/

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  Dave Crocker <dcrocker-at-brandenburg-dot-com>

  Brandenburg InternetWorking <www.brandenburg.com>

  Sunnyvale, CA USA <tel:+1.408.246.8253>

 

 

 


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