Stig Venaas writes: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 04:23:08PM +0100, Simon Leinen wrote: >> Ole J Jacobsen writes: >> > Yep, works fine for me, Stef. Time to switch providers? >> > :-) >> >> Time to disable ECN? > Well, the real issue is who has a broken TCP implementation, or > firewall or other device that mishandles those packets. It's a lot > of work to fix that everywhere, but sites like www.isoc.org should > be a reasonable place to start. Yes, of course. Stef's not at fault here - www.isoc.org should be fixed to tolerate ECN (or, even better, support it). Maybe ISOC should start an activity (with themselves :-) about the benefits of a transparent Internet, and how "intelligent" middleboxes prevent successful deployment of mechanisms such as ECN (Explicit Congestion Notification) - which was designed to be simple and backwards compatible, is well-understood and widely recognized as beneficial for the Internet as a whole. (I already submitted www.isoc.org:80 to the "ECN Hall of Shame" under http://urchin.earth.li/cgi-bin/ecn.pl :-) -- Simon.