I don't think so, sorry. The network setup is not different (it should not be), if we have a host or not. I'm convinced the secretariat has the expertise to do it well. We have been in the same hotel other times, and it worked fine. We just need to discover exactly what happened, and most probably comparing with Vienna could be a good way to attack the problems ! Also, there are still few companies willing to host IETF. I've offered Madrid (Spain) since 2.5 years ago ... the process is very slow. The secretariat already visited the hotel, and they agreed that is a very good installation, if I'm not wrong, their words were "excellent, one of the best properties that we never seen" (actually the bigger hotel in Europe), and it already has Ethernet (with IPv6, for free) in every guest room. The network is ready in every meeting room, in the corridors, ... We have already organized big events there. The issue, according to what I talked last week with the Secretariat and Harald (just a very few minutes), is that the hotel is not located downtown, but just in front of the airport, and they argue the transport isn't good. I can tell that there is no metro, right, but there are 4 bus lines in the door, a free shuttle to the airport (then metro 12 minutes to the center of the city), and I offered also a free shuttle service to downtown. Even more, a taxi either to the metro or to downtown will cost less than 4-5 Euros (what about sharing it among different participants). I don't see the problem, but of course I'm local and know it very well. My proposal also included a social, and may be a change in the schedule of the meetings. Trying to lunch downtown at 11:30 is impossible (of course no problem if in the hotel), or even to dinner at 17:30, so I suggested trying to adapt the agenda to the local timing, have a kind of "extended coffee break" or snack before the last meeting (i.e. plenary), then have dinner after, starting at 20:30-21:00. And I know the cost of the IETF in Madrid will be probably one of the cheaper ... and hopefully very well attended. Anyway, the target was 2004, but now is too late. I'm preparing a short report to try to convince Harald and whoever needs to be convinced and I will be happy to circulate it in this list. Now I already offered Madrid for 2005, and 1.5-2 years later in Barcelona. But unless we react soon, the hotel pre-booking that I did, will go for 2005 also. But of course, my offer can't last for ever. Actually is costing me more time and effort to convince the IETF to come here, than probably setup it, even with a good network ;-) Regards, Jordi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin C. Almeroth" <almeroth@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <iljitsch@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: <ietf@xxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:21 PM Subject: Re: IETF58 - Network Status > >>As for the network: Vienna has shown that it's possible to do better. > >>At the same time, with 1000+ people in a room performance isn't going > >>to be great. Poor network performance during plenaries and other > >>crowded sessions isn't the end of the world as long as the network > >>functions well elsewhere. > > It might be a good idea to stop comparing Minneapolis to Vienna. Vienna > had a host and Minneapolis did not. > > Having a host is a good thing but few companies are willing to step > forward anymore. Solve that problem and many other problems get > solved... including more important ones like having a T-shirt. > > -kevin > ********************************** Madrid 2003 Global IPv6 Summit Presentations and videos on line at: http://www.ipv6-es.com This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited.