Just as a whimsical notion.... would it be possible to, ah, invite some of the 802.11* wireless committees to have a colocated meeting with the IETF at some point in the future? We could dangle the offer of "free" wireless networking, plus an offer for them to see what a real-life, large-scale deployment wireless is really like. Give them a chance for them to eat their own dog-food. It might be interesting to let the 802.11i folks see what life with unathenticated radio beacons is really like. :-) - Ted