I have to agree, I don't think Verisign did anything "Wrong". I have often drawn a line between corporate behavior that is immoral, and that behavior that is illegal. There is a huge difference between them. Verisign has not broken any laws, therefor what they did isn't "Wrong" (if someone can point to a law that Verisign is in the juristiction of that adding a wildcard domain in .com/.net please inform me of the statute and I will say I am incorrect) Now we can talk about immoral behavior of adding the wildcard. I don't like it, I think they should remove it - however it is not illegal. Go figure Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf@ietf.org [mailto:owner-ietf@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dean Anderson Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 8:45 AM To: Keith Moore Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Asrg] Verisign: All Your ... On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Keith Moore wrote: > > Your mail client was making a false assumption. That is a bug in the > > software. The mail client shouldn't be looking up domains. It > > should be sending it to the relay. > > No, you're making an incorrect assumption. It's perfectly valid for a > mail client to send mail directly to the MX for the recipient domain > (or A record if there is no MX) That's how mail was intended to work, > having a local relay is just a popular optimization. So it's > perfectly valid for a mail client to look up domain names, and it's > perfectly valid for a mail client to assume that NXDOMAIN means that > the domain does not exist. again, that is how the mail protocol is > defined to work. No, its not valid for a mail client to make direct connections. There are many ISPs that block this. Are they doing something wrong? Mail clients are supposed to connect to their configured mail relays, which has the responsibility to route mail. > Your attempt to reinterpret the mail specs in order to apologize for > VeriSign's fraud and unfair business practice is not in the least bit > persuasive. What is not persuasive is the attempts to claim they did anything wrong. --Dean