> However, what is the harm in making an RFC and then find out if enforcers > will enforce?????? you appear to presume that you can get consensus support for such a plan from within IETF. even if you could get such support (which you cannot) note that there's no enforcement of IETF's other opinions, even in cases where failure to adhere to IETF standards costs billions of dollars every year. why would this case be any different? there are a lot of ways to solve the spam problem that will work if "everybody does it my way." so far, nobody has figured out how to impose their will on the rest of the net. Keith