Dave; > This being a technical discussion, we had better have some useful, > technical definitions. Technical definitions? On the problems, yes. On the terminology, no. > Then we can switch to having a debate about > problems and solutions. It is a useful approach to continue the debate forever. However, to solve the problem, anyone proposing a solution may use any terminology, as long as it is clearly defined. > There is technical history to the terms at > issue, here. However they suffer different definitions in different > technical discussions. Different technology needs different definitions. We really suffer, if you try to unify them. Masataka Ohta