It seems that there is no guarantee that VoIP is Internet either, just as IETF protocols can be used to great effect outside of the public Internet too. Cheers, Rod. > -----Original Message----- > From: ext grenville armitage [mailto:garmitage@swin.edu.au] > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:21 PM > To: ietf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: the VoIP Paradox > > > > S Woodside wrote: > [..] > > Voice over IP is paradoxically both internet and telephony > at the same > > time. This article presents the paradox, and associated arguments. > > Your paradox seems artificial. "IP Telephony" is both > internet and telephony, > but Voice over IP makes no claims (except in sloppy reporting) to be > telephony. Unless, that is, you consider commerical 2-way > radios, CB radios, > intercoms and tin-cans-and-string to also be telephony by > virtue of involving > transport of voice. > > cheers, > gja > >