> From: Yakov Rekhter <yakov@juniper.net> > ... > In the rather arrogant terms of internet engineering, the IESG is by > definition the set of people that are "clueless". It is not possible > for it to be the other way around. No matter how wise and inteligent > IESG memebers are... > > It is necessarly that the IESG understands that latter point and restricts > its job to document in a timely manner interoperable solutions for the > problems at hand regardless of personal opinion on the value of such > problems and technologies. That is a valid position only if you assume the premise that the IETF should publish RFCs on any and all subjects. If you don't accept that premise but instead think the IETF should only publish RFCs related to the Internet, then the inevitable ignorance of the IESG is a valuable feature. If the IESG is clueless about something, then it is likely that whatever it is should be handled outside the IETF. It seems clear that much of the pressure for the IETF to deal with this particular area as well as some other areas that have nothing to do with "Internet engineering" is due to "forum shopping" by people and organizations that also see the inevitable ignorance of the IESG and IAB as a positive feature. However, their intended utilization of that ignorance is not respectable. Vernon Schryver vjs@rhyolite.com