Just a simple question: Can spam mail be caused by violating RFC 2821? -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-ietf@ietf.org [mailto:owner-ietf@ietf.org] Namens Michel Py Verzonden: dinsdag 27 mei 2003 22:26 Aan: Paul Vixie; ietf@ietf.org Onderwerp: RE: spam Paul, > Paul Vixie wrote: > [large snap] > my own ideas have to do with trustbrokers, certificates for both > mailboxes and transfer/relay agents, and provable confidence in > subjective values. but maybe all that's just crap, and what's actually > necessary and sufficient would have a completely different look/feel > to it than anything i've yet considered. I'm with you here, but keep reading. > we (the e-mail producing/consuming community) have the technology, we > have the collective wit and wisdom, we have the proven commercial > value of the service. what we lack, dear ietf, is simply: leadership. Given what you wrote just above (which I agree with), what is your assessment that a system such as what you have in mind would successfully reach IETF consensus? Look just the past 2 days how many trolls posted on this ML to lobby for the spammer's cause. The reason I agree with Noel along the lines that the only way is making spammers pay for sending email is not because I don't think that we don't have what it takes to invent a protocol, but because I think it will be torpedoed before it is born. Michel.