On Mon, 26 May 2003, Dean Anderson wrote: > > > On Sun, 25 May 2003, shogunx wrote: > > > Dean, > > > > > > > > [1] SPEWS has attemtped to avoid prosecution and legal responsibility by > > > remaining completely anonymous. ORBZ.ORG was criminally investigated for > > > crashing the City of Battle Creek's computer system. The City dropped the > > > investigation after ORBZ announced it would end operations. However, > > > simultaneously or before the City's announcement, ORBZ operator Ian > > > Gulliver registered DSBL.ORG with a Brazilian address. Quite obviously, he > > > had no intention of halting operations, but merely to disguise their > > > jurisdiction. > > > > > > > sounds like ORBZ 1 Battle Creeek 0 > > ORBZ got away with a deception, yes. Ian Gulliver is not the first > con-artist to talk his way out of a jam with the cops and won't be the > last. I'm not saying anyone was right or wrong in this instance. I'm just calling the score. > > > > [2] Even though Kevin Mitnick was on the FBI's most wanted list, the FBI > > > was unable to track him down. Only after one of his victims became > > > involved, was Mitnick finally located and arrested. > > > > > > > Kevin gets locked away for years without even being CHARGED, and suddenly > > he has victims? He was the victim. > > He was not locked away for any years without being charged. While he may > also have been victimized in some respects due the difficulty and > complexity of his trial, he was by no means innocent. He brought it all on > himself. He was a self-described con-artist, and violated numerous civil > and criminal statutes. He had no regard to civil or criminal laws, and > therefore couldn't be allowed to roam about society unsupervised. He had > many victims, as he recently admitted at a talk I attended. What he did > was wrong in a big way. He has completely repudiated his earlier > activities. > > Those who see Mitnick as representative of the hacker ethic don't really > understand the hacker ethic. Hackers are not dishonest. Hackers share, > they do not steal. Hackers ask politely, and invent for themselves what > they are refused. Hackers do not coerce or extort anything. > I am not challenging Mitnick's guilt or innocence. I am challenging the method in which the situation was dealt with. Scott > --Dean > > sleekfreak pirate broadcast world tour 2002-3 live from the pirate hideout http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81