> I also don't want want to insult anyone by stating the obvious fact > that almost no users, whether they are employed by ISPs and have titles > like "super senior network operator guru" or are end users like my Aunt > Millie, have any real idea what "internet transparency" might be. They > certainly have no clue that it might be as valuable and that it might > be what has made their mailboxes both useful and full of spam. SPAM is pretty high in the list of things people complain about, but lack of transparency is actually one of the top reasons for calling the support line. Granted, the average user does not complain that "there is a lack of transparency"; it is more in the line of "my favorite application does not work" -- where the favorite application is network game, voice over IP, e-mail, you name it. And the root cause of the problem, more often than not, will be some stupid filtering policy implemented by some obscure corner of the network. That being said, whining about lack of transparency is not going to change the behavior of the operators. The IETF should rather do something useful, e.g. make sure that IPSEC is easy to deploy... -- Christian Huitema