On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:48:31 -0700 (MST), Vernon Schryver wrote: >UUNet in particular has demonstrated this sad syndrome. For years, >instead of ejecting its spamming and spam-friendly resellers, it lied. >Then it lied for years about installing port 25 filtering. Finally, >it got port 25 filtering working, and reduced the amount of dial-up >spam it was spewing. All of that was instead of enforcing an anti-spam >AUP and genuinely cracking down on spammers. (By "lies" I mean official >public statements in news.admin.net-abuse.email and to individuals that >the UUnet spokesmen could not possibly have failed to know were false.) > >Of course, UUNet is far from the only example. Another good one is >Sprint, which had the audacity to claim to not know how to use ANI to >find spammers running up 5-figure bills on stolen credit numbers or >how to interest law enforcement agencies....this from a telco! I have to second the comments about UUNet and Sprint from my own personal experience. I served up a complete case for prosecution under the Va Computer Crimes Act, including the legal service address and all logs. The UUNet counsel (Neil Patel) refused to take any action. He told me this was management policy. The fact is UUNet profited from spamming. We know from their subsequent collapse that dishonesty pervaded the firm (maybe still does). With another carrier, instead with good ethical standards (AT&T), an incident I document (see <http://www.camblab.com/nugget/spam_03.pdf>) the problem was negligence, rather than witting enablement of criminal activity. (The frontline saps didn't even validate the credit cards until the first billing period, so the users of stolen cards had a whole month. This went on for about 6 months until I jerked management's chain; they stopped it as soon as they noticed it. But management were "too busy" with other things until someone screamed. I am an AT&T customer. This is the Environmental Polluter business model.) I am about to nominate a solution for these problems. Watch this space. (In the meantime read above PDF file.) Jeffrey Race