The IETF_Censored mailing list At times, the IETF list is subject to debates that have little to do with the purposes for which the IETF list was created. Some people would appreciate a "quieter" forum for the relevant debates that take place, but the IETF's policy of openness has so far prevented the IETF from imposing any censorship policy on the IETF@ietf.org list. To give people an alternative, there is a list called "ietf_censored@carmen.ipv6.cselt.it". This list is a sublist (that is, it gets the same messages as) the open IETF discussion list. However, this list will not forward all messages; in particular, the filters have been set so that persons and discussions that are, in the view of Raffaele D'Albenzio, irrelevant to the IETF list are not forwarded. Because this filter is automated, the criteria include: * Well known troublemakers * Well known crosspostings * Subjects that have led to recent non-conclusive exchanges * Some ways to say "unsubscribe" * Some "out-of-office-reply" messages To join the list, send the word "subscribe" in the BODY of a message to ietf_censored-request@carmen.ipv6.cselt.it (the URL here is an RFC 2368 mailto URL that does the Right Thing). To unsubscribe, send the word "unsubscribe" in the BODY of a message to ietf_censored-request@carmen.ipv6.cselt.it. Do not send to the list - your message will be filtered! (members of the main IETF list itself must follow instructions for that list, of course. You are only a member of ietf_censored if there is a comment on the bottom of your IETF list mail saying that the message has been sent through the ietf_censored list.) For fun, there is a special list for the rejected messages: ietf_censored-rejects@carmen.ipv6.cselt.it - subscribe in the same fashion, by mail to ietf_censored-rejects-request@carmen.ipv6.cselt.it By public request, the current set of filters are listed at http://vesuvio.ipv6.tilab.com/cgi-bin/ietf_censored-filters This page is http://carmen.ipv6.cselt.it/ietf_censored.html, and is posted monthly in text form to ietf@ietf.org _________________________________________________________________ Raffaele D'Albenzio < root@carmen.ipv6.cselt.it>