On 19 Nov 2002, D. J. Bernstein wrote: > In legitimate standards organizations, there's no way for anyone to > misrepresent the will of the group. Really? I suspect you lack experience of legitimate standards organizations like the ITU-T. I'd provide a concrete example, but the ietf mail archives have this quaint concept of 'current' urls, and are not easily searchable - google just brings up current stuff that has since changed. L. where's the full raw text of wg list mails to grep through when you need it? > All actions are confirmed by votes. > In contrast, in the IETF, chairs have tremendous power to promote their > favorite documents. They can declare ``consensus'' whenever they want. > A tremendous burden is then placed on people who object, even if those > people are the majority of the working group! > > The history in http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/axfr-clarify.html shows that the > DNSEXT chairs unilaterally pushed this document forward on 2001.03.13, > 2001.04.04, 2001.06.22, and now 2002.11.13. People who object to the > document have had to speak up again and again and again. > > ---D. J. Bernstein, Associate Professor, Department of Mathematics, > Statistics, and Computer Science, University of Illinois at Chicago > > - > This message was passed through ietf_censored@carmen.ipv6.cselt.it, which > is a sublist of ietf@ietf.org. Not all messages are passed. > Decisions on what to pass are made solely by Raffaele D'Albenzio. > <http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/><L.Wood@ee.surrey.ac.uk>