Re: RFC3271 and independance of "cyberspace"

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bad idea for engineers to play lawyers.

but dreaming/wishing is not a crime.

james

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Sprunk" <ssprunk@cisco.com>
To: <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>
Cc: "Alexandre Dulaunoy" <adulau-ietf@CONOSTIX.COM>; <ietf@IETF.ORG>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: RFC3271 and independance of "cyberspace"


> Thus spake <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>
> > On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:26:41 CDT, Stephen Sprunk said:
> >> The buyer, presumably residing in France or Germany, is
> >> already responsible for the legality of anything he imports.
> >> How is this the seller's problem?
> >
> > The problem is that (for example) it is *totally* legal for one US
> > citizen to sell another US citizen some Nazi memorabilia on
> > eBay.  The problem is that the web page *describing* the auction
> > is accessible in countries that have laws against dealing in such
> > things, and they wish to force eBay to make sure that the pages
> > aren't accessible in their country.
>
> If eBay doesn't exist (legally speaking) in Germany, tough luck.  Forcing
> German ISPs to block the content, however, would be doable.
>
> Next, are we to force the post to read all mail coming into Germany to
make
> sure there's no mail-order Nazi memorabilia catalogs?  Would doing so be
> legal?  If legal, would it be feasible?
>
> > So if you're in Chicago, and have a web site about llamas, and
> > some country passes a law prohibiting discussions about llamas,
> > do you want to suddenly find yourself extradited just because
> > your web page was *accessible* from said country?
>
> The person committing that "crime" is not within the jurisdiction of the
> other country, and thus extradition is not possible.  If so, Hugh Hefner
and
> Larry Flynt would have been executed in the Middle East decades ago.
>
> >> Assuming the Swedes have a law against hacking, they can
> >> extradite the suspect from New Zealand under existing
> >> treaties.  A New World Order is not necessary.
>
> > Not if Korea doesn't have a law against hacking, or there is no
> > cooperation from the Korean end to produce evidence that the
> > hacker was actually in New Zealand.
>
> So what do you propose?  Forcing the sovereign government of Korea to
adopt
> a law for your benefit?  Want to outlaw prostitution, gambling, and drugs
> worldwide while you're at it?
>
> S
>
>


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