----- Original Message ----- From: "John Stracke" <jstracke@incentivesystems.com> > Provably false: well-coded applications know the limitations of domain > names, and do not even attempt to make requests for non-ASCII names. First of all, I disagree with the "well-coded" part because I believe a well-coded application will do the dns request as is and allow the dns response to determine the validity of a domain name. Secondly, if this is the case, then the plugin should be intercepting the input to the app and not the output. It is still a possibility. The precise issue we are discussing is how well we need to make ACE. Do we accept leakages and work on UTF8 solution so that we will reach there sooner, or we spend 5-10 yrs figuring out ACE and then spend the next 50 years whining about it and moving it to UTF? Edmon