Re: PPP

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I have received several responses and most people say it's in the data
layer, and a couple of people think it's in the network layer. I don't
really pay much attention to the OSI model, I think it complicates the
complicated. I try to focus more on TCP/IP. Does PPP establish a link, then
terminate, or continue throughout session in UDP and TCP? I posted this
question on the PPP mailing list with less familiaritive response than ietf
general list.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
To: "Bill Cunningham" <billcu@CITYNET.NET>
Cc: <ietf@ietf.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: PPP


> At 03:55 AM 2/28/2002, you wrote:
> >In what layer is PPP in the TCP/IP suite?
>
> I have read some of the other responses and it reinforces my belief that
> most people don't understand PPP's relationship to IP and either the
> 5-layer (internet) or 7-layer (ISO) models.
>
> PPP is really both the link and lower network layers. (The ISORMites
> discovered that layer three was really several layers in itself but found
> it difficult to say that the 7-layer model was really a 9-layer model so
> they created sublayers, i.e. layers 3A, 3B, and 3C.  Something about
> Padlipsky comes to mind here.) The best way to think of PPP is a
degenerate
> network of two nodes, not a link between two devices.  If you think of it
> in this way, things like multilink and L2TP begin to make some sense.  The
> problem occurs when people forget this.
>
> The way that I think of it is that the LCP negotiation represents
> configuration of the link layer while the NCP negotiation configuration at
> the network layer.
>
> And I continue to kick myself for allowing negotiation of multilink as
part
> of LCP instead of doing it after authentication.  I fear that this helped
> screw up L2TP too.  I admit I caved to people who were worried about how
> long it took PPP to complete negotiation, something that just isn't very
> important.
>
>
> Brian Lloyd
> brian@lloyd.com
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> +1.360.838.9669 - fax
>


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