Hi, I have reviewed the document and have two comments. Otherwise the documents looks okay and should be published. 1. Section 2.2.3: If one makes a comparison here with STUN connectivity checks under ICE we are missing an optimization here. That is the triggered DCCP-Request. Before the client has received a DCCP-Listen or a regular response it doesn't know that the path is open. Thus if one resent the request upon receiving the Listen one knows that it can get through. A previously sent request may have gotten through, but the client doesn't know that until much later. So the question here is: Is this speedup of the connection worth it? Is it congestion safe enough? I also assume this will not create issues in the DCCP state machine. The case this optimize is the following which isn't enumerated in the draft: DCCP A DCCP B ------ NA NB ------ +------------------+ +-+ +-+ +-----------------+ |(1) Initiation | | | | | | | |DCCP-Request --> +--+-+---X+ + | | | |<-|-|----+-+--+<-- DCCP-Listen | |DCCP-Request --> +--+-+----+-+->| | |(Triggered) | <+-+----+-+--+<-- DCCP-Response| |DCCP-Ack --> +--+-+----+-+> | | | | | | | | | | |(2) Data transfer | | | | | | | |DCCP-Data --> +--+-+----+-+> | | +------------------+ +-+ +-+ +-----------------+ Considering that the initial retransmission timer for DCCP-Request messages are on the order of 0.5 to 1 seconds I think this could substantially speed up session establishment in these cases. 2. Figure 5: I think this figure might be a bit confusing or rather unclear on what happens with the DCCP-Listen messages. For the DCCP-Listen messages to arrive at DCCP-A the NA needs to have a binding (NAT) or opened pinhole (FW) that is a result of traffic from DCCP-A on A's source port. If NA is a NAT then some procedure to create that binding and learn the external address and port will have to happened. If NA is a Firewall then DCCP-A can still send that SDP to DCCP-B with its source address and port and the traffic will be dropped by NA. Can you please document the assumptions that result in the DCCP-Listen packets to reach the DCCP-A instead of being dropped at NA. Cheers Magnus Westerlund IETF Transport Area Director & TSVWG Chair ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 Färögatan 6 | Fax +46 8 7575550 S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@xxxxxxxxxxxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------