Re: kernel.org udev tarballs

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On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 13:09, Greg KH <greg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 03, 2011 at 11:00:40AM +0100, Michael Olbrich wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 03:46:26PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote:
>> > 2011/11/2 Greg KH <greg@xxxxxxxxx>:
>> > > On Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 03:05:52PM +0100, Benoît THÉBAUDEAU wrote:
>> > >> Does anyone know if the udev tarballs will be put back on
>> > >> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev/
>> >
>> > The current release is just here:
>> >   http://people.freedesktop.org/~kay/
>> >
>> > >> or should we rely only on git snapshots from now on?
>> >
>> > You can always just check out a git tag and do:
>> >   ./autogen
>> >   make
>> >   make distcheck
>> > to get any tarball you need.
>> >
>> > > They will be put back there, please give us time.
>> >
>> > Not sure if all the old release tarballs will ever come back to kernel
>> > org. Git is the better archive for that anyway.
>> >
>> > The new releases will be there for sure when the infrastructure is
>> > ready. In the meantime, you can just get old releases from any of the
>> > distros archives who stored them in their build systems with proper
>> > checksums.
>>
>> That really depends on the use-case. All embedded Linux distributions that
>> I know of rely on upstream to provide the tarballs.

They should probably switch to build-from-git, if they rely on
anything like that.

> Why do they do this?  If they are expecting that upstream's tarballs
> will always be there to abide by the GPL, then they might wish to
> reconsider that :)
>
>> And the big distributions only keep the versions they actually use and that
>> changes all the time.
>> So please upload the old tarballs again, once the infrastructure is ready.
>
> You can always create the old tarball yourself automatically from git if
> needed.
>
> Anyway, it's being worked on, there's lots of other things to address
> with kernel.org first, please be patient.

Michael, honestly, I don't expect all the old 173 tarballs to come
back anytime soon. I don't even know if the recent autotools do the
right thing with the very old sources. It's more complicated with
pre-built stuff in tarballs than it is with the simple git-tar export
the kernel uses. Earlier versions we even build the tar by hand and
not with 'make dist', I doubt that someone wants to go through
rebuilding all that by hand.

I don't have a trusted copy of any of the old tarballs, only git. We
require PGP signing for all new tarballs on kernel.org and can
probably not just restore the old ones, I can definitely not sign them
for uploading unless there is something that makes absolutely sure
they are not manipulated.

Kay
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