On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 07:25:54AM -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 08:11:25AM -0500, Matt Domsch wrote:
> > Netdev team - are you in agreement that having multiple names to
> > address the same netdevice is a worthwhile thing to add, to allow a
> > variety of naming schemes to exist simultaneously? If not, this whole
> > discussion will be moot, and my basic problem, that the ethX naming
> > convention is nondeterministic, but we need determinism, remains
> > unresolved.
>
> I'm still totally confused as to why you think this. What is wrong with
> what we do today, which is name network devices in a deterministic
> manner by their MAC in userspace? That name goes into the kernel, and
> everyone uses the same name and is happy.
>
> If you don't like naming by MAC, then pick some other deterministic
> naming scheme that works for your hardware and write udev rules for it.
>
> You could easily name them in a way that could keep the lowest number
> (eth0) for the lowest PCI id if you so desired and your BIOS guaranteed
> it.
>
> This way the kernel has only one name, and so does userspace, and
> everyone is happy.
There are two issues, which really seem distinct to me.
Users expect eth0 to map to first-onboard-nic. That's an installer
issue (since the BIOS can already export this info) and I agree that
if we want to "fix" that, we should fix it there.
Users also want to have a name that matches the way they think of
their hardware - pci slot, bios-exposed-name, mac address,
whatever. This can be done today w/ custom udev rules, and I can
visualize an installer that would generate these rules for you:
Configure a NIC
\-> Choose NIC by: MAC/CHASSIS-NAME/PCI-SLOT
[ Present list of unconfigured NICs by selected property ]
\-> What name would you like to use for this interface [eth3]?
How do you want this configured (DHCP/STATIC/..)
...
That would make a lot of users much happier (myself included), but it
does restrict us into one view. At different times, admins think of
their NICs by different properties. I may want to do IP assignment by
the chassis name, but then run ethereal on a specific mac address. Or
I may want to see the routes assigned to all NICs in a given PCI
slot. Sure, I can lookup all of these properties and map them back to
an interface name by hand, but aliasing provides a nice way to
short-circuit that. And, by providing a library that translates the
aliases for us, we can help ensure that all apps that want to provide
aliasing can do so in a common way.
--
dann frazier
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