Joost, and others, I tried learning to use gtk, gdk, cairo, pango, etc several years ago and was frustrated by the difficulty in getting good docs, sample code, etc. Even worse was finding that "constant change" meant me having to rewrite code fairly often. Note that I'm an "old guy" who has written code for a living since I was a "young guy". But this has been the most difficult venue in which I've tried to work. I feel and share your pain in producing something of quality and lasting value. I know it can be done, but I pretty much work alone, and it's not easy. I switched to writing my own set of "widgets" in C++ which more or less look and act somewhat like Java's AWT, but nowhere near as powerful yet. I've got simple projects like a telnet client working, but I feel like I'm mining gold with a fork. My one big question to this list is (and no disrespect is meant), is there a elist similar to this one dedicated to Xlib programming? This list does have many very talented people, some of whom I'm in awe of. But I'm veering into a different direction and just need pointer towards that direction. adTHANKSvance, Ed James On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Joost <1@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: ... > own use. Working on my pygtk alternative depikt i learned that the promise > of easy interfacing with other languages (than C) is not empty. Then there > is gdk.Pixbuf and the integration of the well-designed pango and cairo. The > latter must have been a bit painful for the authors of the > gimp-tk - many thanks for that ! And thanks for the introduction to > widget construction. ...But the way thereto is nearly not documented... ... > During 3 years the documentation of gtk and gtk itself has never ceased to > cause this kind of pain. It is my fourth GUI-builder - and what is in the tutorial ... _______________________________________________ gtk-list mailing list gtk-list@xxxxxxxxx http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list