Well, it is kinda assumed that people interested in developing GTK+-using software have a broad understanding of concepts like pkg-config, make, shell commands, environment variables PATH and PKG_CONFIG_PATH etc. For people who really don't have a clue about stuff like that, a MinGW and MSYS based approach with command-line tools is never going to work anyway. They want some kind of IDE. Eventually there will hopefully be something one can plug into Visual Studio. what is the most common method that people learn in the real world? in my experience it results from being forced to have to do something. so they go out and find the resources necessary to do two things at the same time: 1) learn how to do it, and 2) get it done. to suggest that anyone who hasn't yet learned how to set up GTK+ on unix isn't the kind of person who deserves to try to learn how to do it on windows is patently absurd. (take the simple case of the windows developer sans unix experience who hasn't had to bother with all the idiotic intricacies of compilation and linking requirements in the precious unix world. are you suggesting that they should do a rather long stint of development in unix before attempting to install and use GTK+ on windows? shame, it strikes me that you're going to miss out on winnning over a lot of people to use GTK+ on windows. what's the point of GTK+ on windows again?) and yet, the question is answered on this list, while very clearly noted that the download page wouldn't be updated to provide a simple answer to a simple question allowing many more people to learn how to do something useful and beneficial for everyone involved. it's one of the drawbacks of open-source: no one can be held responsible for a bad attitude created from a position of power; not a little unlike the same attitude created from a position of monopoly. i've said it before (many years ago now) and i'll say it again: providing a product without good documentation that will allow new users to both learn how to use it and get the job done at the same time is a product that has yet to even begin to reach it's true potential. ridiculous, richard _______________________________________________ gtk-list mailing list gtk-list@xxxxxxxxx http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list
