Well I finally after some playing got pango to install. As I tried to install gtk+ it say I had too old a version of X. I use 4.6.0. Do I have to go with 7.1 of something with the modern version of gtk+? I believe it's been separated into X11 and xfree86. Does anyone know if just getting xlib and xrenderer would work with gtk+? I just want the x layer as enough to use gtk. Bill _______________________________________________ gtk-list mailing list gtk-list@xxxxxxxxx http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list