I forget who pointed me at this, but I found: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2004-August/msg00120.html somewhat helpful to me coming from a C but not OO background. I only wish it included signals. My recollection is that this is not the same as what made it into the docs. rick jones _______________________________________________ gtk-list@xxxxxxxxx http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list