OK, I've had enough of trying to fix this problem over the years. Its time to ask the rest of the experts how they would solve this. The problem at hand is layed out like this: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX +--------------------------------+-----------------------------+ | | | | | | | | | | A | B | | | | | | | | | | +--------------------------------+-----------------------------+X | | |X | | |X | | |X | C | D |X | | |X | | |X +--------------------------------+-----------------------------+X the exact and relative dimensions don't matter at all. the rules are that: * A never scrolls at all * B scrolls horizontally in step with D, but never vertically * C scrolls vertically in step with D, but never horizontally * (by implication) D scrolls vertically and horizontally the area marked "XXXXXXXX" indicates the desired location of the scrollbar to control scrolling in the appropriate direction. how to do this with GTK? i know the basics so please don't tell me about using a table, etc. my existing (non)solution is: overall layout is a 3x3 table C is a layout containing an eventbox D is canvas widget (i.e. a layout, since canvas IS-A layout) B is a vbox containing several custom rulers and a canvas A is a vbox containing text labels stacked XXXXXX is a scrollbar of the appropriate orientation this is *very* close to working, but not close enough. I cannot get the layout in C to scroll properly. it has its own adjustments, but anytime the adjustment associated with vertical scrollbar is changed, we set the layout adjustment to the same value. horizontal scrolling works fine. the C layout will scroll, but any part of the event box that was not visible when the top level window was mapped will never be drawn. suggestions? new approaches? before you ask "why not use a scrolled window?", been there, done that. GTK's scrolled windows do not support the idea of being limited in display size but having no visible scrollbars. this means that C cannot be a scrolled window because it will either (a) expand to the full size of its child widget or (b) have to have at least 1 visible scrollbar. --p _______________________________________________ gtk-list@xxxxxxxxx http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list