Howdy, Here's an update on my Gtk+ Drawers and Sheets mock-up: (http://bitpoetry.com/programs/gtksheetsanddrawers/) The responses I've seen seem to be, generally: 1 - people want these widgets 2 - there's some concern about usability, especially re drawers 3 - it might be best in the window manager, rather than in Gtk+ 1. People want these. Cool. 2. Usability: People are telling me about how products like Quicktime 4, Nextstep, and MS Office have done drawers (or drawer-like functionality). I haven't used these products in years, if at all, so I don't know what your specific concerns are. The image I have in my head is what Mac OS X uses for Camino's sidebar and Goban's move list. I don't think drawers/widgets fundamentally are bad design (but, of course, it's always possible to implement any concept poorly). 3. Implementation: I fully admit that something like EWMH might be the best way to go about this. (Especially sheets: sheets are document-modal dialogs, so I'm not sure it makes sense to have sheets and old-style document-modal dialogs.) Actually, that's what I thought originally, but somebody said to me "how hard can it be?", and I couldn't convince myself it wouldn't work, so I tried implementing it. Gtk+ widgets seemed like something I could wrap my head around fairly easily -- unlike X11. (I'm a fearless man, but I'm scared to death of Xlib.) So the current state of my implementation is: in limbo. I don't know enough about X11 and window managers do be useful right away. I may work on it in my spare time (a patch to Metacity to make it display document-modal dialogs as sheets?), but maybe not; no guarantees. If anybody else wants to adopt this project, you have my blessing. (If there are future emails on this subject, we probably shouldn't cross-post any more. So let's put them on, say, gtk-devel-list, as per suggestion.) - Ken _______________________________________________ gtk-list@xxxxxxxxx http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list
