RE: GK for Behind-of-Linksys Router Endpoints

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Openphone will not work, just because authentication was changed to also
check for the MAC address.

Reason I brought this up is I was wondering if this feature would make GnuGK
more robust

-----Original Message-----
From: openh323gk-users-admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:openh323gk-users-admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Zygmuntowicz Michal
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 1:14 AM
To: openh323gk-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re:  GK for Behind-of-Linksys Router Endpoints

I think you did not undestand me. Can you use ANY H.323 endpoint,
like ohphone, openphone, Cisco ATA, and it will work behind NAT?
They can provide H.323-compiliant endpoints with some propriertary
extensions - but the extensions are not H.323 compiliant and are not
standard.

How does this relate to GnuGk?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Abano, Fernando" <fabano@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 6:00 PM


> The endpoints are not proprietary. They are H.323-compliant endpoints.
>
> Yes, I think it might have some extensions to allow for NAT traversal as 
> it
> can even do double NAT traversal (the Linksys router can be deployed 
> either
> as an internet gateway, or it can be part of an internal network that is
> connected to another internet gateway.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: openh323gk-users-admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:openh323gk-users-admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Zygmuntowicz Michal
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 12:50 AM
> To: openh323gk-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re:  GK for Behind-of-Linksys Router Endpoints
>
> As you write: "proprietary" which means not truly H.323 compiliant.
> It surely has some extensions to allow NAT traversal. NAT traversal
> is trivial, if you don't follow standards.
>
> Can you use any H.323 endpoint with this gatekeeper and it works
> behind NAT? Or can you use those proprietary endpoints behind NAT
> with any H.323 gatekeeper? The answer is no...
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Abano, Fernando" <fabano@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 5:29 PM
>
>
>> What I have seen was this "proprietary" GK and all that was needed by the
>> endpoints was broadband connection. The EPs can be public or private. And
>> it
>> allows multiple EPs behind a single Linksys router.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: openh323gk-users-admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:openh323gk-users-admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>> Zygmuntowicz Michal
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 12:23 AM
>> To: openh323gk-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re:  GK for Behind-of-Linksys Router Endpoints
>>
>> One side note: You don't have to forward any ports
>> if you have a child GnuGk gatekeeper behind NAT
>> and its parent is also GnuGk. The child must be running
>> in a proxy mode, the parent should have at least ProxyForNAT=1
>> set.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Stewart Nelson" <sn@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 5:08 PM
>>
>>
>>> Hi Fernando,
>>>
>>>> I have noticed that if I have an endpoint connected to a Linksys 
>>>> router,
>>>> or
>>>> some other dumb router, I need to DMZ the EP.
>>>
>>> Not quite true, you just need to forward the required ports.
>>>
>>>> What happens then if I have multiple endpoints behind a single dumb
>>>> router?
>>>
>>> If the endpoints can use different signaling and media ports, no 
>>> problem.
>>> For example, the ATA-186 looks like two independent endpoints and works
>>> fine.
>>> However, this is an administrative hassle if you have many endpoints on
>>> different private addresses.
>>>
>>>> Not sure how other developers did it, but I saw a product that allows
>>>> multiple endpoints behind the dumb router, without any "special" config
>>>> changes on the router, register to an outside GK, receive inbound calls
>>>> from
>>>> the PSTN, and make outbound calls to the PSTN.
>>>
>>>> Is this possible with GNUGK?
>>>
>>> You can run gnugk behind the NAT and have many local endpoints register
>>> to it.  However, you still need the NAT to forward required ports to
>>> gnugk.
>>>
>>> I can't see how the product you describe could work with a "generic"
>>> outside GK; I'd appreciate a link to the documentation.  Also, I suspect
>>> that the outside GK would have to proxy everything, which is a
>>> performance problem in many cases.
>>>
>>> While it is often useful to put an endpoint behind a NAT over which
>>> you have no control, e.g. in a hotel, it is hard for me to imagine a
>>> situation where you install multiple endpoints, yet are not granted
>>> the right to have some ports forwarded.  Could you please give some
>>> more details about your application?
>>>
>>> If you are just trying to provide PSTN access to multiple users at
>>> a site, similar to Vonage, Packet8, Broadvoice, etc., IMHO you should
>>> use SIP, just like those providers do.
>>>
>>> --Stewart



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