(I'll try to keep this short, please let me know if there is a more appropriate mailing list to post to.) The question of global menu vs. non-global menu has died with regards to Gnome3 for obvious reasons, but perphaps a better solution, which would satisfy both camps, could be implemented: a menubar toggle button. Example: A user needs to access the menubar, and clicks on a titlebar button, which shows a translucent menubar below the titlebar. After a designated time (say, 3 seconds) without a mouse hover, it begins to fade away. Alternatively, the user could (ctrl/alt/right)-click to keep an opaque menubar there until the button is clicked again. Pro's: 1. It keeps the menubar in its respective window 2. It saves vertical space when a menubar isn't needed (good for mobile devices) 3. Windows appear less cluttered, more 'focused', and have less distraction. Con's: 1. It could make windows difficult to resize from a certain area. The left side of the titlebar seems most natural, but a button there could make it difficult to resize a window with the top left corner. If the button were to resemble anything like the 'close' button the Adwaita theme uses, it would be outright impossible. I personally do not resize from the top at all, resorting almost exclusively to the bottom right corner. 2. Users would be unfamiliar with the idea at first, but given the radical UI changes with GNOME3, this does not seem to be so much of a concern. The first question before going into details is of course: "Is GTK3 flexible enough to do this?" _______________________________________________ gnome-list mailing list gnome-list@xxxxxxxxx http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list