--- Anand Avati <avati@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Cold boot is not a problem. Let me explain with an
> example
>
> 1. Node A and Node B are UP
> 2. Node B goes down
> 3. Node A gets changes
> 4. Node A goes down
>
> now,
>
> 5a. Node A and B comes back together - no problem
> 5b. Node A alone comes back - no problem
> 5c. Node B alone comes back - potential problem if
> same files or directories changed in step 3 are
> accessed.
> 5d. Node B alone comes back and before data is
> accessed Node A comes back too - no problem.
>
>
> supporting 5c requires quite a bit of new framework
> code which is currently not in our highest
> priority. are the above restrictions unacceptable
> in your case?
Well, your scenario assessments make sense to me, but
I would still consider this a cold boot problem! The
scenarios you describe are all the possible cold boot
scenarios. The cold boot "problem" is figuring out
which one of these scenarios you have so that you can
avoid 5c! 5c is indeed unacceptable in my case (and I
would think most people's case)
5a is a theoretical ideal scenario, but it is a race
condition and will probably never actually happen, 5b,
5c or 5d will happen instead. But without any special
logic it seems hard to know if you are in 5b or 5c?
As a simple, but less than ideal solution, I was
suggesting to always force cold boot scenarios to be
5a by never bringing a cluster online (exporting the
FS to clients) until 5a is achieved and a recursive
find is run.
I guess that this could be done with some scripts, the
only tricky part would be swapping configurations so
that only the node performing the find has access to
the cluster until it is in sync. But even if I solves
this with some clever scripting, it still leaves one
potential gap, how do I prevent:
1) Node A goes down
2) Node B has a large write
3) Node A comes up and starts syncing
4) Node B goes down before sync is finished -> A is
not "healed" enough to be able to serve the cluster
properly, the cluster should be offline!
Maybe I will break out my scripting gloves and
experiment a little. Does this seem feasible, will I
be able to achieve what I want? It seems like a
special dynamic config file framework/layout would be
needed to make this possible?
Of course, the drawback to always forcing 5a is that
you can never bring the cluster up after a cold boot
until all the nodes are online. This could be a
serious problem if you have many nodes. Perhaps there
is a way to "layer" a cluster so that you never need
more than two nodes to force 5a, even when there are
more than 2 nodes in a cluster?
Still slightly puzzled that 5c is acceptable to most
people... scratch head. Thanks,
-Martin
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