* Christian Couder <chriscool@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hi, > > For information, an article from me, 'Fully automated bisecting with "git > bisect run"' has been published in today's edition of LWN on the > development page: > > http://lwn.net/Articles/317154/ Nice article! In terms of possible future enhancements of git bisect, here's a couple of random ideas that would help my auto-bisection efforts: - Feature: support "Bisection Redundancy" This feature helps developers realize if a bug is sporadic. This happens quite often in the kernel space: a bug looks deterministic, but down the line it becomes sporadic. Sometimes a boot crash only occurs with a 75% probability - and if one is unlucky it can cause a _lot_ of wasted bisection time. The wrong commit gets blamed and the wrong set of developers start scratching their heads. It's a reoccuring theme on lkml. What git could do here is to allow testers to inject a bit of extra "redundancy" automatically, and use the redundant test-points to detect conflicts in good/bad constraints. It would work like this: git bisect start --redundancy=33% It would mean that for every third bisection points, Git would _not_ chose the ideal (estimated) 'middle point' from the set of "unknown quality" changes that are still outstanding - but would intentionally "weer outside" and select one commit from the _known_ set of commits. If such a redundant re-test of the known-good or known-bad set yields a nonsensical result then Git aborts the bisection with a "logic inconsistency detected" kind of message - and people could at this point realize the non-determinism of the test. ( Git can do this when a "redundant" test point is marked as 'bad' - despite an earlier bisection already categorizing that test point as 'good' - or if it's the other way around. Git will only continue with the bisection if the test point has the expected quality. ) This essentially means an automated re-test - but it's much better than just a repeated bisection - i've often met non-deterministic bugs that yield the _exact same_ nonsensical commit even on repeat bisections. That happens when a timing bug depends on the exact kernel layout, or a miscompilation or linker bug depends on the exact kernel layout, etc. It's also faster than a re-done bisection: 33% more testpoints is better than twice as many test-points. Also, auto-bisection can deal with redundancy just fine - it does not really matter whether i have to wait 20 or 30 minutes for a test result since there's no manual intervention needed - but it _very_ much matters whether i can trust the validity of the bisection result. - Feature: better "git bisect next" support. Sometimes a commit wont build. In that case we have "git bisect next", but last i checked that only jumps a single commit - and build breakages often have a large scope - full trees that got merged upstream, etc. Most of the time those build breakages are uninteresting and the build-broken window does not contain the bad commit. So it would be nice to have a "git bisect next --left=20%" type of feature. This would jump 20% commits to the "left" from the bisection point, towards the 'known bad' set of commits, but still within the bisection window. Similarly, "git bisect next --right=20%" would jump towards the known-good edge of the bisection window (but still within the bisection window). Currently when i hit a build error during auto-bisection, it aborts and i have to intervene manually. But with a bigger jump distance i could use git-bisect-next reliably in scripts too. Likewise, users too hit build breakages often, and find it hard to get out of the window of breakage. With the high-order tree structure of the kernel repository that is rather non-intuitive to do as well, and often people make mistakes and test the wrong commit. - Feature: detect "redundant" and "inconsistent" test points This is a variation of the redunant testing theme, but from a different angle: often newbies when they bisect the kernel weer outside of the bisection window without realizing it. It would be nice if Git printed a friendly notifier that: git bisect good 12341234 info: bisection point 12341234 was already in the 'good' range Or, if the redunant test point is conflicting, print: git bisect good 12341234 fatal: bisection point 12341234 was already in the 'bad' range! And give an error return as well, so that scripts can abort. Currently Git seems to be very forgiving and accepts all bisection points that we feed it, without checking them for consistency. (this might have changed in current development versions, i dont know.) - User friendliness: give an estimation about how many steps are remaining Right now git prints this when a bisection session begins: aldebaran:~/tip> git bisect start aldebaran:~/tip> git bisect bad linus aldebaran:~/tip> git bisect good v2.6.28 Bisecting: 5449 revisions left to test after this [e0b685d39a0404e7f87fb7b7808c3b37a115fe11] Updated contact info for CREDITS file It would be nice if Git estimated the expected number of bisection points. Something like this would be helpful: aldebaran:~/tip> git bisect good v2.6.28 Bisecting: 5449 revisions left to test after this About ~16 test steps left [approximated] [e0b685d39a0404e7f87fb7b7808c3b37a115fe11] Updated contact info for CREDITS file The real number of test points might be higher than this, if the tree layout is unlucky, or it might be less than this if the user manually narrows the bisection window to a suspected set of commits - but that's OK - most kernel testers use the default variant and the message is clear enough that it's only an estimation. Ingo -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
