Re: [PATCH v3] bugreport: reject positional arguments

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On 30/10/2023 01:59, Junio C Hamano wrote:
Junio C Hamano <gitster@xxxxxxxxx> writes:

Junio C Hamano <gitster@xxxxxxxxx> writes:

Phillip Wood <phillip.wood123@xxxxxxxxx> writes:

It is rather unfortunate that test_i18ngrep was deprecated without
providing an alternative that offers the same debugging
experience.
...
We could rename test_i18ngrep to test_grep (and make test_i18ngrep
into a thin wrapper with warnings).

	test_grep -e must-exist file &&
	test_grep ! -e must-not-exist file

... as the only remaining part in test_18ngrep has no hack to work
around the tainted localization tests, so "was deprecated without"
is a bit too strong.  There is nothing we have lost yet.

Having said all that, when re-reading the test_i18ngrep with a fresh
pair of eyes, I somehow doubt there was much upside in "debugging
experience" with test_i18ngrep in the first place, and I doubt if
retaining it with a new name test_grep has much value.

Given that test_i18ngrep (hence test_grep) requires you to have the
haystack in a file, between

     test_i18ngrep must-exist file &&
     test_i18ngrep ! must-not-exist file

and

     grep must-exist file &&
     ! grep must-not-exist file

I do not see any difference in "debugging experience" when you run
the test with "-i [-v] -d".   The two cases you care about are

  (1) the test expects the string "must-exist" in the file "file" but
      the string is not there.

  (2) the test expects the string "must-not-exist" missing from the
      file "file", but the string is there.

The latter can clearly be seen in output from "-i -v -d" (the "grep"
outputs a line with "must-not-exist" on it).  The former will show
silence but since you are debugging with "-d", and your haystack is
in a file, after such a step fails, the test stops, and without
removing the "file" even if the test piece had test_when_finished
to remove it (i.e. running tests in debugging mode "-d" and
immediately stopping upon failure "-i" behaves this way exactly to
help you debugging), so you can go there to the TRASH_DIRECTORY
yourself and inspect "file" to see what is going on anyway.

So, I dunno.  Surely with a long &&-chain of steps, where a grep
that expects lack of something is in the middle, it is hard to see
if the lack of hit is because an earlier step failed (and the
control did not reach "grep must-exist file") or because the
haystack lacked the "must-exist" needle, so from that point of view,
it may be nicer that "did not find an expected match" is explicitly
stated.

It is this latter point that I had in mind. I find it much easier to debug a test that says "This command failed" rather than looking at the output to try and figure out which was the last successful command. I take your point above that one can go and inspect the file when the test is run with "-i -d" but it is determining that grep failed in the first place that I find annoying. I've also found the output from test_i18ngrep is helpful when debugging CI test failures.

Best Wishes

Phillip




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