On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 3:26 AM demerphq <demerphq@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Sun, 14 Aug 2022, 04:35 Felipe Contreras, <felipe.contreras@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 11:55 AM Philip Oakley <philipoakley@iee.email> wrote: > > > There is a confusion between the use of the term that refers to the > > > *personal* mastery of a _craft_ or _artisan_ technique and, at least one > > > of, the historical choices for the usage of the term 'master', which was > > > a direct reference to slave servitude. That was for the use of > > > electrical circuits which would detect the 'tick' of a primary timing > > > pendulum and then have all the actual clock faces that indicated the > > > time be _driven_ from that 'master'. > > > > This may be the reason why some people used that name in the past, but > > it's not the reason I use it. > > > > For me if I was cloned there wouldn't be two equally valid versions of > > me, *I* am the original one, I am the "master" copy. This doesn't > > change if my clone is cloned in turn. > > > > This is exactly how master branches in git are used. I have a master > > branch of git.git, but it's not *the* master branch. *The* master > > branch is the branch from which all the other branches came from, > > including "maint" and "next", and all the dozens of branches in > > thousands of other repositories. If the word "master" makes it sound > > more important than all the other branches in all the other > > repositories, it's because it is. > > > > Regardless of what name people use and for what reason, the reality is > > that "master" is still very widely used, despite of the campaign > > against it which was clearly driven by ideological reasons. > > FWIW, I was a part of ensuring two large codebases did not use the > term "master" when they migrated to git long before it became a > subject of controversy. Not because I had concerns over the > master/slave word association (it really wasnt on my mind) but simply > because the word "master" is too overloaded, and its use as a name > leads to all sorts of weird sentences involving the phrase "master > master", which for newbies especially can be really confusing. I > found that introducing newbies to the concepts of distributed version > control goes much more smoothly when the "primary" branch is not > called "master", as it avoids the need to understand that there are > various different copies of the "master" branch where either only one > or none of them are actually master branches. Just writing this > paragraph makes me itch from having to distinguish the different uses > of the word master. Sure, each person's mileage may vary, but personally I've never used the phrase "master master", it's always "master's upstream", or "origin's master", or something else. And I have no trouble realizing that "master" is different from "origin/master". > So while it is indisputable that what you call "ideological reasons" > really pushed this initiative into the public consciousness I think > there were and are a lot of us who are quite happy to support the > movement simply because we think using a word which (in English) has > multiple Noun, Adjective and Verb definitions is a poor choice for the > *name* (Proper Noun) of an arbitrary artifact, especially when those > definitions will likely be applied to thing being named. That the > phrase "master master" is in our vocabulary is a horrorshow. To me it > is not unlike naming someone's two children "Run" and "Slowly". Who is > going to understand what the heck "Run, Slowly, run slowly!" means? I disagree. English speakers have no problem with words that have multiple meanings, the word "run" has hundreds of them, and people keep using it. And as I said, "master master" is not in my vocabulary. Moreover this usage is already part of the English language, there's master key, master bedroom, master copy, master record. Somehow the music industry doesn't have a problem dealing with multiple master records. If you personally want to use another name, go right ahead, but for many of us "master" is a perfect name, and more importantly: a perfectly fine default name. Cheers. -- Felipe Contreras
