On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 5:21 AM Aman <amanmatreja@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Hello everyone. I sent out an email here last week, asking for a list > of resources, so I could better understand the workings and design of > git. I really appreciate everyone, who gave the links and their > advice. > > I have been reading about GIT for some time now, and have looked at > almost all of the resources plus some others. I think I could say, I > now have a decent conceptual understanding of how GIT works > internally. > > (Also, I understood the chapter about git I read in the book I am > reading, Architecture of Open Source Applications: Volume 2, which I > didn't understand at all, the reason I started this thread). Although > there must definitely be a lot of details and subtle things I may not > understand yet (like branches are nothing but pointers to commits, > wow! btw) > > Now, continuing this discussion, and talking about the implementation > and engineering side of things, I wanted to ask another question and > hence wanted some advice. > > Though I may understand the internal design and high-level > implementation of GIT, I really want to know how it's implemented and > was made, which means reading the SOURCE CODE. > > 1. I don't know how absurd of a quest this is, please enlighten me. It's a lot :) But I don't think that should discourage you. > 2. How do I do it? Where do I start? It's such a BIG repository - and > I am not guessing it's going to be easy. I would start actually with "Documentation/MyFirstContribution.txt" and "Documentation/MyFirstRevisionWalk.txt" - but I am biased towards those documents. ;) The other subtle hint I would give is that the entry point for almost every command is at a function called "cmd_cmdname()", so for example "git status" is at "cmd_status()", usually somewhere in 'builtin/'. > 3. Would someone advise, perhaps, to have a look at an older version > of the source code? rather than the latest one, for some reason. Some other piece of the developer documentation (maybe "SubmittingPatches"?) suggests that you start from the initial commit and understand that part first. I personally don't find this exercise very useful anymore as Git has grown quite a lot since then (and is even primarily in a different language, although we still have some bash scripts here and there). > Again, I would really appreciate it if someone could give their > thoughts on this. In your journeys, also watch out for some libraries in common, like calls from "run-command.h" or "parse-opt.h", to help you understand how we make stuff work more or less consistently across the codebase, or libraries like "strbuf.h" and "string-list.h" to understand some of the things that we do to make working with C a little less fraught. > > Thank you, > > Regards, > Aman > > > On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 7:40 PM Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason > <avarab@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, May 30 2022, Konstantin Khomoutov wrote: > > > > > On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 09:49:57AM +0000, Kerry, Richard wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > >> > > 1. I haven't had the experience of working with other (perhaps even > > >> > > older) version control systems, like subversion. So when refering to > > >> > > the "control" aspect, > > >> > > > >> > The "control" aspect was from whoever was the 'manager' that limited > > >> > access to the version system (i.e. acting like a museum curator), and deciding > > >> > if your masterpiece was worthy of inclusion as a significant example of your > > >> > craft, whether that was an engineering drawing or some software code. > > >> > > >> I'm not sure I get that idea. I worked using server-based Version Control > > >> systems from the mid 80s until about 5 years ago when the team moved from > > >> Subversion to Git. There was never a "curator" who controlled what went > > >> into VC. You did your work, developed files, and committed when you thought > > >> it necessary. When a build was to be done there would then be some > > >> consideration of what from VC would go into the build. That is all still > > >> there nowadays using a distributed system (ie Git). Those doing Open source > > >> work might operate a bit differently, as there is of necessity distribution > > >> of control of what gets into a release. But those of us who are developing > > >> proprietary software are still going through the same sort of release > > >> process. And that's even if there isn't actually a separate person actively > > >> manipulating the contents of a release, it's just up to you to do what's > > >> necessary (actually there are others involved in dividing what will be in, > > >> but in our case they don't actively manipulate a repository). > > > > > > I think, the "inversion of control" brought in by DVCS-es about a bit > > > differet set of things. > > > > Re the "I'm not sure I get that idea" from Richard I think his point > > stands that some of the stories we carry around about the VCS v.s. DVCS > > in free/open source software was more particular to how things were done > > in those online communities, and not really about the implicit > > constraints of centralized VCS per-se. > > > > Partly those two mix: It was quite common for free software projects not > > to have any public VCS (usually CVS) access at all, some did, but it was > > quite a hassle to set up, and not part of your "normal" workflow (as > > opposed setting up a hoster git repository, which everyone uses) that > > many just didn't do it. > > > > > I would say it is connected to F/OSS and the way most projects have been > > > hosted before the DVCS-es over: usually each project had a single repository > > > (say, on Sourceforge or elsewhere), and it was "truly central" in the sense > > > that if anyone were to decide to work on that project, they would need to > > > contact whoever were in charge of that project and ask them to set up > > > permissions allowing commits - may be not to "the trunk", but anyway the > > > commit access was required because in centralized VCS commits are made on the > > > server side. > > > > We may have tried this in different eras, but from what I recall it was > > a crapshoot whether there was any public VCS access at all. Some > > projects were quite good about it, and sourceforge managed to push that > > to more of them early on by making anonymous CVS access something you > > could get by default. > > > > But a lot of projects simply didn't have it at all, you'll still find > > some of them today, i.e. various bits of "infrastructure" code that the > > maintainers are (presumably) still manually managing with zip snapshots > > and manually applied patches. > > > > > (Of course, there were projects where you could mail your patchset to a > > > maintainer, but maintaining such patchset was not convenient: you would either > > > need to host your own fully private VCS or use a tool like Quilt [1]. > > > Also note that certain high-profile projects such as Linux and Git use mailing > > > lists for submission and review of patch series; this workflow coexists with > > > the concept of DVCS just fine.) > > > > I'd add though that this isn't really "co-existing" with DVSC so much as > > using patches on a ML as an indirect transport protocol for "git push". > > > > I.e. if you contributed to some similar projects "back in the day" you > > could expect to effectively send your patche into a black-hole until the > > next release, the maintainer would apply them locally, you wouldn't be > > able to pull them back down via the DVCS. > > > > Perhaps there would be development releases, but those could be weeks or > > even months apart, and a "real" release might be once every 1-2 years. > > > > Whereas both Junio and Linus (and other linux maintainers) publish their > > version of the patches they do integrate fairly quickly. > > > > > [...] it also has possible > > > downsides; one of a more visible is that when an original project becomes > > > dormant for some reason, its users might have hard time understanding which > > > one of competing forks to switch to, and there are cases when multiple > > > competing forks implement different features and bugfixes, in parallel. > > > One of the guys behind Subversion expressed his concerns about this back then > > > wgen Git was in its relative infancy [2]. > > > > > > 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quilt_(software) > > > 2. http://blog.red-bean.com/sussman/?p=20 > > > > It's interesting that this aspect of what proponents of centralized VCS > > were fearful of when it came to DVCS turned out to be the exact > > opposite: > > > > Notice what this user is now able to do: he wants to to crawl off > > into a cave, work for weeks on a complex feature by himself, then > > present it as a polished result to the main codebase. And this is > > exactly the sort of behavior that I think is bad for open source > > communities. > > > > I.e. lowering the cost to publish early and often has had the effect > > that people are less likely to "crawl off into a cave" and work on > > something for a long time without syncing up with other parallel > > development.
