http://www.research.att.com/~bs/applications.html just as Bjarne once wrote in his TC++PL, its hard to teach an old dog new tricks. Its even harder to give quality education about how to use something to someone who doesnt want to learn. you hate high level, then continue programming operative systems, please NEVER DO something else. C++ was designed to give programmers high level tools and still being able to take care about performance. portability wont be possible after a standard is published and some couple of years given to the compiler developers. C++ had its standard in 1998, and add two or three years for compiler development = 2002. "Quite recently", way more recently that your last use of C++ I can bet. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html