On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 02:21:22PM -0500, Jeff King wrote: > On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 10:57:28AM -0800, Junio C Hamano wrote: > > > Taylor Blau <me@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: > > > > >> I actually wonder if we should simply die() in such a case. That's not > > >> very friendly from a libification stand-point, but we really can't > > >> progress on much without being able to generate random bytes. > > > > > > Alternatively, we could fall back to the existing code paths. This is > > > somewhat connected to my suggestion to Randall earlier in the thread. > > > But I would rather see that fallback done at compile-time for platforms > > > that don't give us an easy-to-use CSPRNG, and avoid masking legitimate > > > errors caused from trying to use a CSPRNG that should exist. > > > > Yeah, I do not think we are doing this because the current code is > > completely broken and everybody needs to move to CSPRNG that makes > > it absoletely safe---rather this is still just making it safer than > > the current code, when system support is available. So a fallback > > to the current code would be a good (and easy) thing to have, I > > would think. > > One challenge for any fallback is that there are security implications. > In particular: > > - the fallback probably needs to be specific to the mktemp code; we > don't have any callers yet of csprng_bytes(), but anybody using it > for, say, actual cryptography would be very unhappy if it quietly > fell back to insecure bytes. > > (I don't have any plans to use it and we don't do very much actual > crypto ourselves, but one place that _could_ use it is the > generation of the push-cert nonce seed). > > - I'm not sure if we should fallback for runtime errors or not. E.g., > if we try to open /dev/urandom and it isn't there, is it OK to fall > back to the older, less-secure tempfile method? That's convenient in > some sense; Git continues to work inside a chroot for which you > haven't set up /dev/urandom. But it may also be surprising, and > erring on the side of doing the less secure thing is probably a bad > idea. > > So the mktemp code probably needs to be aware of the difference > between "we have no CSPRNG source" and "we were compiled with > support for a source, but it didn't work". My opinion is that we should probably not fallback for runtime errors where we do have a CSPRNG and any errors trying to use it are legitimate. I would probably have csprng_bytes() itself only be compiled where we know we have a CSPRNG. And then I think our implementation of git_mkstemps_mode() would depend on whether csprng_bytes() was compiled or not. If it was, then any errors returned by it are propagated to the caller (or we call die()). If not, then we use the existing, insecure implementation. And I think that basically addresses both of your points, namely that the fallback is specific to the mktemp code, and provides one opinion on the matter of runtime errors. Thanks, Taylor
