Am 06.07.21 um 01:28 schrieb Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason: > > On Sun, Jul 04 2021, René Scharfe wrote: > >> Am 26.06.21 um 23:38 schrieb Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason: >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 26 2021, René Scharfe wrote: >>> >>>> Am 26.06.21 um 16:11 schrieb Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason: >>> The only one I know of is "Enumerating objects", which notably stalls at >>> the start, and which I'm proposing changing the output of in: >>> https://lore.kernel.org/git/patch-18.25-e21fc66623f-20210623T155626Z-avarab@xxxxxxxxx/ >> >> That's annoying, but the first number I see there has five or six digits, >> so it's not an example of the issue mentioned above for me. > > Because it stalls and shows nothing, but with my patch it'll show > something while stalling, FWIW on linux.git from a cold cache it took > 5-10s before showing anything. > >> Your patch shows ", stalled." while pack-objects starts up. I'm not sure >> this helps. Perhaps there are cases when it gets stuck, but it's hard to >> determine by the clock alone. When I run gc, it just needs a few seconds >> to prepare something and then starts visibly counting objects. A more >> fine-grained report of the preparation steps would help, but seeing >> "stalled" would just scare me. > > Fair enough, I have other patches to have it show a spinner. Again, API > v.s. UI. The idea is that we show something before we start the loop. A spinner would be nicer, but I would be more interested to see what it is actually spending all that time on. A separate progress line might be justified here. >>> Also, because for these cases that you're focusing on where we count up >>> to exactly 100% and we therefore expect N calls to display_progress() >>> (igroning the rare but allowed duplicate calls with the same number, >>> which most callers don't use). We could just have a convenience API of: >>> >>> start_progress() >>> for i in (0..X-1): >>> progress_update() /* passing "i" not needed, we increment internally */ >>> work() >>> stop_progress() >>> >>> Then we could even make showing 0/N or 1/N the first time configuable, >>> but we could only do both if we use the API as I'm suggesting, not as >>> you want to use it. >> >> A function that increments the progress number relatively can be used >> with both models. It's more useful for the count-iterations model, >> though, as in the count-work model you can piggy-back on the loop >> counter check: >> >> for (i = 0; display_progress(p, i), i < X; i++) >> work(); > > Aside from this whole progress API discussion I find sticking stuff like > that in the for-loop body to be less readable. > > But no, that can't be used with both models, because it conflates the 0 > of the 1st iteration with 0 of doing prep work. I.e.: > > p = start_progress(); > display_progress(p, 0); > prep_work(); > for (i = 0; i < 100; i++) > display_progress(p, i + 1); > > Which is implicitly how that "stalled" patch views the world, i.e. our > count is -1 is at start_progress() (that's already the case in > progress.c). > > If you set it to 0 you're not working on the 1st item yet, but > explicitly doing setup. > > Then at n=1 you're starting work on the 1st item. A distinct preparation phase feels like an extension to the progress API. A symmetric cleanup phase at the end may make sense as well then. I assume that preparations would be done between the start_progress call and the first display_progress (no matter what number it reports). And cleanup would be done between the last display_progress call and the stop_progress call. In the count-iterations model this might report the time taken fro the first or last item as preparation or cleanup depending on the placement of the display_progress call. That shouldn't be much of a problem, though, as the value of one work item is zero in that model. > FWIW the "complicated" here was referring to dealing with break/continue. > > Yes I'll grant you that there's cases where the uglyness/oddity of that > for-loop trick is going to be better than dealing with that, but there's > also while loops doing progress, callbacks etc. while loops can easily be converted to for loops, of course. Callbacks are a different matter. I think we should use them less in general (they force different operations to use the same set of parameters, which is worked around with context structs). A function to increment progress would help them because then they wouldn't need to keep track of the item/iteration count themselves in a context variable. However, in some cases display_progress calls are rate-limited, e.g. midx_display_sparse_progress does that for performance reasons. I wonder why, and whether this is a problem that needs to be addressed for all callers. We don't want the progress API to delay the actual progress significantly! Currently display_progress avoids updating the progress counter; an increment function would need to write an updated value at each call. > Picking an API pattern that works with all of that makes sense, since > the UI can render the count one way or the other. Right. >>> If we do run into those cases and want to convert them to show some >>> intra-item progress we'd need to first migrate them over to suggested >>> way of using the API if we picked yours first, with my suggested use we >>> only need to add new API calls (display_throughput(), and similar future >>> calls/implicit display). >> >> I don't see why. The intra-item progress numbers need to be reported in >> any case if they are to be shown somehow. If the model is clear then we >> can show unambiguous output. > > Because you want to show: > > Files 1/3 (33%) Bytes 17kB/9GB (0%) > > Not: > > Files 0/3 (33%) Bytes 17kB/9GB (0%) > > You're downloading the 1st file, not the 0th file, so the code is a > for-loop (or equivalent) with a display_progress(p, i + 1) for that > file, not display_progress(p, i). > > This is the main reason I prefer the API and UI of reporting "what item > am I on?" v.s. "how many items are done?", because it's easy to add > intra-item state to the former. Both look confusing. If I'd care enough about one of the files or each of them that I'd like to know their individual progress then I'd certainly would want to see their names instead of some random number. And as you write above: The display part can easily add or subtract one to convert the number between models. > Sure, anyway, let's assume all those numbers are magically known and > constant. The point was that as noted above you're downloading the 1st > file, not the 0th file, and want to show throughput/ETA etc. for that > file. OK, but still some kind of indication would have to be given that the Bytes relate to a particular File instead of being the total for this activity. Perhaps like this, but it's a bit cluttered: File 1 (Bytes 17kB/9GB, 0% done) of 3 (0% done in total) René
