Hello, On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 1:05 PM Elijah Newren <newren@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 1:53 AM Felipe Contreras > <felipe.contreras@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I could do some mail archeology if you want, but this issue starts to > > be mentioned at least since 2010, and virtually everyone (except one > > person) agreed the default must change, even Linus Torvalds. Reading > > back what Linus said [5], it's something very, *very* close to what > > I'm proposing (I would argue my proposal is better). > > > > So you let me know. Do you want me to dig a decade of discussions and > > coalesce those conclusions into a summary so we can decide how to > > proceed? Or should I drop the plan? Only that if we drop it, I > > *guarantee* we will discuss it yet again years later. > > > > Moreover, this is the reason why I split the series in 3. Even if you > > decide you don't want to change the default, part I of the series can > > still be merged *today*, and everyone would benefit. > > Have I missed some subtlety here? This whole email appears to me to > be arguing against a strawman. Reading Junio's other emails in this > thread[1][2], it's pretty clear he thinks the current behavior is > buggy and suggests how it should be changed. From what I can tell, > you appear to be arguing against doing nothing and against only > accepting perfection, neither of which were positions I saw anyone > take. In fact, the positions you argue for at length appear to > exactly match the ones he took[1][2]. What am I missing? People change their minds. Perhaps I misinterpreted something, but when Junio said "I dunno" I take it to mean: he is unsure my proposal "pull.mode=ff-only" makes sense. He also said "for anybody who uses git for real, [force -ff-only] would be pretty much a useless default", which I take it to mean that perhaps we shouldn't change the default to that. Back in 2013 Junio said "I now see how such a default makes sense." [1], but we are in 2020 and such a default that made sense is not the default. Mind reading is a really bad habbit [2]; I don't know what other people think, and I would not presume to know. All I know is that the path forward is unclear. And because I prognosticated that, I split the series in 3 parts, and I've yet to see any objection to part I, which would improve the situation for users *today*. So, while we make up our collective minds, there's no reason to bother our users with an annoying warning on *every* *single* *pull*. Cheers. [1] https://lore.kernel.org/git/7vli74baym.fsf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/ [2] https://cogbtherapy.com/cbt-blog/common-cognitive-distortions-mind-reading -- Felipe Contreras
