On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:56:35AM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote: > One thing we may want to consider is why we have to even worry about > scripts getting broken. It is because people script around > Porcelain, and that is because we have been too eager to improve > Porcelain while neglecting plumbing for too long, to the point that > some things are only doable with Porcelain (or doing the same with > plumbing while possible are made too cumbersome). I find it quite > disturbing that nobody brought that up as an issue that needs to be > addressed in this entire thread. I think there is a chicken-and-egg problem there. The plumbing _wasn't_ there, so people started using porcelain in their scripts, which made us hesitant to change it. That fact that it doesn't break makes script writers think it's OK. And now we're stuck with things like "log" and "diff" as pseudo-plumbing, unless we want to take a strong stand and say "you're doing it wrong, even though there was no other way to do it until now". Unless you want to follow the usual deprecation schedule by introducing new plumbing commands to fill in the gaps, waiting, and then proceeding to change the porcelain. But I think that's isomorphic with the other solutions. I.e., out of: 1. git rev-list 2. GIT_PLUMBING=1 git log 3. git command log They are all doing the exact same thing: running a log-like command without any config or cross-version changes. It's just a matter of syntax. One of the nice things about (2) and (3) is that you don't have to invent a new plumbing-ish name for each command. -Peff