Hello, Currently "git submodule update" appears to be optimized for updating existing submodules - which isn't surprising given its name. However it is also used for the "initial setup" of submodules, i.e. right after running "git submodule init" or with the "--init" argument. Below you find a list of features I wish existed during the initial setup. It might make sense to add an additional subcommand named e.g. "bootstrap" or "setup" to accomplish this, but maybe a "--bootstrap" argument might also suffice. The goal is for a submodule to be "ready for use" after running "git submodule init" and "git submodule bootstrap"/"git submodule update --bootstrap". * Add additional remotes. "submodule update" can only add a single remote, but a submodule might require additional remotes, i.e. "origin" and "my-fork". It's likely that "my-fork" contains commits that are not available from "origin" and that such a commit is tracked as the HEAD of the submodule. When that is the case and if "submodule.<name>.url" points to the upstream repository, then "submodule update <name>" would fail because the commit is not available. To deal with that the user would have to set "url" to the url of the fork repository. But then "submodule update" would name that remote "origin". And the user would then have to rename that to "my-fork" and also add the real "origin". It would be nice if it were possible to configure additional remotes in .gitmodules or elsewhere and if "submodule bootstrap/update" could be told to setup these remotes before attempting to checkout the tracked commit. Since Git doesn't support nested config sections I am unsure what would be the best way to store this information in ".gitmodules". A hacky implementation could use something like this: [submodule "example"] url = git://example.com/upstream.git remote = my-fork git@xxxxxxxxxx:my-fork.git remote = third-party git://example.com/with-patches.git Of course Git usually doesn't use a single variable to define multiple values, so that's not really an option except while experimenting. Another alternative might be to use separate files located in a directory ".gitmodule.d", e.g. the remotes of the module ".gitmodule.d/example" could contain: [remote "origin"] url = git://example.com/upstream.git [remote "my-fork"] url = git@xxxxxxxxxx:my-fork.git [remote "third-party"] url = git://example.com/with-patches.git * Attach HEAD. I think it makes sense for "submodule update" to default to using "checkout" as "submodule.<name>.update" method, since it is the safest option which doesn't do any harm. It's also nice that there are some alternatives, "rebase", "merge" and "none", and even support for custom commands. (By the way "ff-only" and "ff-only-else-checkout" would be nice to have.) However neither "rebase" nor "merge" are suitable during bootstrap. During "submodule bootstrap" (but not "submodule update") a "rewind" variant might make sense. During bootstrap, after cloning but before checkout/merge/update, we might have history like this: A---B---C origin/master, master -> origin/master, HEAD ^ | commit recorded for submodule The "rewind" update variant (actually boostrap variant) would then do a "git reset --hard B", resulting in: A---B---C origin/master ^ | master > origin/master, HEAD, commit recorded for submodule Of course the situation might be more complicated: A---B---C origin/master, master -> origin/master, HEAD \ D---E---F my-fork/master ^ | commit recorded for submodule Here "rewind" would fail because "master" cannot be rewound to E. In some cases that might be the right thing to do, but another alternative would be a "reset" variant, which does a "git reset --hard" even if the recorded commit isn't an ancestor of the checked out branch. A---B---C origin/master, HEAD \ D---E---F my-fork/master ^ | master -> origin/master, HEAD, commit recorded for submodule Other, smarter, variants could be implemented, but the key point I am trying to make is that I would like to use diffent "update methods" during "submodule bootstrap" and "submodule update", and that "rewind" and "reset" should be available during "boostrap" by default. * Preserve additional information. If a mechanism such as the ".gitmodules.d/<name>" file I suggested above were used to add additional remotes, then that could be used to distribute other information from ".git/modules/<name>/config". This could also be used by the various "bootstrap" variants. As I have shown above ".gitmodules.d/example" could for example contain this: [remote "origin"] url = git://example.com/upstream.git [remote "my-fork"] url = git@xxxxxxxxxx:my-fork.git [remote "third-party"] url = git://example.com/with-patches.git Here "origin.url" would be redundant because the same value is already set in "submodule.example.url". However this could be used to allow setting an alternative remote name: (in .gitmodules) [submodule "example"] remote = upstream (in .gitmodules.d/example) [remote "upstream"] url = git://example.com/upstream.git But that's just a minor detail. What I really would like to be able to do is this: (in .gitmodules) [submodule "example"] remote = origin bootstrap = rewind-either (in .gitmodules.d/example) [remote "origin"] url = git://example.com/upstream.git [remote "my-fork"] url = git@xxxxxxxxxx:my-fork.git [branch "master"] remote = origin merge = refs/heads/master pushRemote = my-fork With such a setup the second example from above makes more sense: A---B---C origin/master, HEAD \ D---E---F my-fork/master ^ | master -> origin/master, HEAD, commit recorded for submodule And a new bootstrap variant "rewind-either" could make sense: if the commit recorded for the submodule is reachable from either the upstream branch *or* from "branch.<name>.pushRemote", then rewind, else checkout a detached HEAD. Additionally the settings from ".gitmodules.d/<name>" should be copied to ".git/modules/<name>/config", just like those from ".gitmodules" are copied to ".git/config": (in .git/modules/example/config) [remote "origin"] url = git://example.com/upstream.git fetch = +refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/* [remote "my-fork"] url = git@xxxxxxxxxx:my-fork.git fetch = +refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/my-fork/* [branch "master"] remote = origin merge = refs/heads/master pushRemote = my-fork Most of these variables are "copied" by adding the remotes, but "branch.master.pushRemote" would have to be explictily set. It should also be possible to checkout another branch by setting "submodule.<name>.branch", and to automatically create additional branches by adding additional "branch" sections to ".gitmodules.d/<name>". In addition to "branch.<name>.pushRemote" it would be nice if "remote.pushDefault" could be set in ".gitmodules.d/<name>". So what do you think? Is there a change that such features could be added to Git (using the suggested mechanisms or something else)? Best regards, Jonas Bernoulli -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html