On Wed, Dec 09, 2015 at 02:29:12PM -0800, Stefan Beller wrote: > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Jeff King <peff@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 09, 2015 at 05:20:41PM -0500, Jeff King wrote: > > > >> Of course that is a bitter pill to swallow if you have reasons for > >> wanting to use the old sha1s. E.g., you have internal development > >> proceeding against the old tree and want to share a truncated version > >> with the public. > > > > After re-reading your email, it looks like your use case is just to be > > able to later prove the existence of the original history. You could > > that by mentioning the original "C" in your truncated "D", but in a way > > that git does not traverse reachability. For instance, amend D's commit > > message to say: > > > > This is based on earlier, unpublished work going up to commit C. > > > > Then retain C for yourself, and show it only to those you want to prove > > its contents to. > > I'd rather keep D for yourself and create a D' which is D just without > parent and > the note above, such that the tree of D and parts of the commit message > is obvious by looking at D'. All that is secret is Ds parent and the commit > information such as exact date. (committer could be guessed easily) I think the point is that all of this is happening at time t (let's say 2015), and the proof may be needed at time t+N (let's say 2020). Showing the original D (or C, or whatever) at that point proves nothing, as you could have created a fake history in 2020 that "ends up" at the D' tree. You need to publish _something_ in 2015 that says "I know this thing, but I am not willing to show it to you yet". The classic way of doing this is to take out a small ad in the classified section of a print newspaper with a hash of your data. Libraries keep archives of the paper, so later you can prove that you have the data that matches the hash, and its timestamp is certified by the library archives. Here we're abusing Git as the notary. If everyone spends the years from 2015-2020 building on top of D', then they can all reasonably agree that the content of D' was written in 2015, and any commit hash it mentions had to have existed then. Revealing C (or the original D, or whatever hash you want to mention) proves the data. -Peff -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html