curious: I am only an occasional programmer in C. I read Linus' post that C++ is a horrible language. alas, I wonder why people like Linus, who live in C, do not design C 11.1---a preprocessor or preprocessor replacement that adds some modest niceties to the language. For example, forward references and auto-header generation. For example, a shorter way to state #ifndef X #define X #endif . For example, propagation of '...' and optional arguments. Many others. It would be a collection of small improvements, some copied from C++ (or other languages), that make the actual C kernel code programming more pleasant. I don't mean a full new language, like C++ or D. over time, given the prominence of the kernel and Linus, this could even morph into a quasi-standard with toolchain and IDE support. Not a full new language, just modest C language programming pleasantry enhancements. what IDE and tools does Linus use? (I do know linux and git! ;-).) do these tools make enhancements less useful?!? /iaw -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html