On 2013-06-19 17:05, Junio C Hamano wrote:
> Richard Hansen <rhansen@xxxxxxx> writes:
>
>> On 2013-06-19 13:14, Junio C Hamano wrote:
>>> <object-type>-ish does not have anything to do with a ref. Even
>>> when an object is dangling in your object store without being
>>> reachable from any of your refs, it keeps its own "ish"-ness.
>>
>> Ah, so your personal definition of "ref" matches my personal definition
>> of "ref", and this definition doesn't match gitglossary(7). :)
>
> Huh? The only thing I I said was that "*-ish" does not have
> anything to do with a ref. I didn't say anything about definition
> of "ref".
The phrase
when an object is dangling in your object store without being
reachable from any of your refs
implies something about your definition of a ref that is inconsistent
with gitglossary(7). See below.
>
> You are the one who brought "ref" into description of *-ish, with
> this:
>
>> +[[def_committish]]committish (also commit-ish)::
>> + A <<def_ref,ref>> pointing to an <<def_object,object>> that
>> + can be recursively dereferenced to a
And I did that to be consistent with the definition of tree-ish, which
currently says:
tree-ish
A ref pointing to either a commit object, a tree object, or a
tag object pointing to a tag or commit or tree object.
Notice the term "ref" in the above definition. This definition says
that a tree-ish is a particular kind of ref -- NOT a property of an
object as you claim. I'm not saying you're wrong -- I actually agree
with you completely -- I'm just saying that your definition of ref
doesn't match the definition of ref in gitglossary(7).
The current definition of ref says:
ref
A 40-byte hex representation of a SHA-1 or a name that denotes
a particular object. They may be stored in a file under
$GIT_DIR/refs/ directory, or in the $GIT_DIR/packed-refs file.
Depending on how one interprets "name" (which is not defined in
gitglossary(7)) in the above definition of ref, claiming that
"master:README" is a ref is consistent with gitglossary(7). It is NOT,
however, consistent with what you -- or anyone else I know -- think of
as a ref.
>
> All I am saying is that an object does not have to be pointed by any
> ref to be any-ish. ish-ness is an attribute of an object, not an
> ref. You do not say refs/heads/master (which is a ref) is a
> commit-ish or a tree-ish. The object pointed at by that ref is
> always a commit and is a commit-ish and a tree-ish.
I understand and agree completely and always have.
Here's what I'm trying to say:
* Given the current definition of "ref" in gitglossary(7), claiming
that a foo-ish is a ref is not entirely incorrect.
* If the definition of "ref" is altered to match the general
understanding of a "ref", then claiming that a foo-ish is a ref is
wrong. Very wrong.
I was trying to be minimal and consistent with my changes, but
unfortunately it seems like more changes are necessary. When I next
have time, I'll send some revised patches to include the following changes:
* replace the current definition of "ref" with something that matches
general understanding
* eliminate the use of "ref" in the definitions of tag object, tree
object, and tree-ish
* create a term that means "a thing understood by rev-parse that
uniquely identifies an object" (perhaps "object specifier"?) that
can be used in gitglossary(7) and elsewhere
-Richard
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