There was a big thread about a month ago on whether Git should do Google Summer of Code this year[1]. Some people seemed in favor, and some not. The deadline for git to apply to GSoC is March 29 (this Friday) at 19:00 UTC. I am willing to act as the admin again if list consensus is that we should do it. But my point in sending this email is not to say "yes, we should definitely apply"; it is to give people on both sides one more chance to make their points and come to a conclusion before the deadline. I.e., I did not want the decision to be made for us because people were not aware of the deadline. In my opinion, a lot of the issues come down to project selection; one thing that seemed to come up in the thread was that projects are often not scoped appropriately to get fully merged by the end of the summer. I think the much smaller projects done by Matthieu Moy's summer students in past years have been very successful _because_ they are of a size much closer to patch series done by normal contributors. I realize that the GSoC time-frame is longer, but I think it's again a matter of scoping; one large project that tries to merge at the end of the summer is never going to work. It must be broken down into a series of reviewable steps, and those steps need to be reviewed and merged throughout the summer, just like contributions from regular contributors. Hand in hand with that, I think we need to treat students more like regular contributors: discussion on-list, patches reviewed and revised on-list, etc. And all of that happening throughout the summer. Coding is only part of being involved in open-source, and traditionally the students have focused on the code and not on the process of interacting with the community and shepherding their changes through to "master". Looking over the proposed project page, I am not that excited about any of them (including ones I have written for past years) as being both scoped appropriately and interesting/useful for students and for the project. I think if people want to do GSoC, we really need to make a commitment to smaller-scoped projects, and to getting students more involved in the "regular" process of patch submission. The obvious first step to that is revising the Ideas list to either have smaller projects, or to break larger ones into more manageable pieces. Unless that happens, I don't think it's worth applying. And if we do apply and get accepted, I think we should look carefully at the proposals that we select, and be very picky about students and projects that will fit in the summer scope. I realize that there is only about 48 hours until the deadline, which is not much. But I am willing to work on the application materials if people can agree on a reasonable set of proposed projects[2]. -Peff [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/216485 [2] I have always hoped for students who would submit their own project proposals, independent of anything we suggest. After all, that is how things happen naturally in open source; contributors scratch their own itches. And that is part of why the ideas I post are often vague and try to describe a problem rather than a solution. But in all our years of GSoC, I recall very few cases of students proposing their own projects, and even fewer of them being successful. So I have kind of given up hope that we would get any proposal that is not spelled out on our ideas page. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html