Junio C Hamano <junkio@xxxxxxx> writes: > Your understanding needs to be clarified on how paths are > filtered, and how log family and diff interacts, and probably > these need to be better documented. Having said that, I realized that I was making the same mistake that our existing documentation was criticized for. Let me first digress to address the documentation criticism. The description on plumbing were (and still are) far more thorough than porcelain-ish, and the conjecture by the person who criticized them was because developers were keen documenting the real work (plumbing) soon after they finished coding than the frill (porcelain-ish). I think the real reason for this is somewhat different. At least to me, git.git was about the plumbing, and I did not want to be in the Porcelain business at all [*1*]. Instead, I wanted to encourage healthy competition among Porcelains. What was shipped with git.git was meant to be "barely usable examples". But this vision has not materialized fully yet, fortunately because we did not end up splitting the userbase too early on. But this was unfortunate for two reasons. One of them is that different Porcelains would have brought completely different ways of thinking and workflows into the picture. Because git.git was primarily about the plumbing, the main focus of the interface the plumbing offers was not about integration and uniformity but modularity. Designing them as independent building blocks as much as practical, and describing them fully, were part of completing the plumbing. And the "barely usable examples" started their lives as a set of trivial pipelines, whose meaning was quite obvious and straightforward when you understand the plumbing parts used in them. It also had UI warts. "barely usable examples" cheated their command line parsing, and the flags used by the plumbing showed through its thin veneer to the UI used by the end users. But that was a long time ago. Now we are in the v1.5.0 process, whose theme is "usability and teachability". Now, viewing in that light, what I described in the previous message may have been a precise description of how things happen to work currently, but it was not about the reason how and why they were designed to be (because there was little design at the UI level). We should instead (or at least "in addition") be talking more about how things ought to be. I described why --full-diff and --pickaxe-all are different options, you can give 4 combinations of them, and how the combinations work differently and why. That does not justify that all of these four combinations make sense. In fact, I do not think they do. When pickaxe is used and --full-diff is given to 'log', I think it does not make any sense not to use --pickaxe-all. So, I think at the level of log family commands, unifying these two flags make a lot of sense (although I earlier said "no"). Although --diff-filter does not have a corresponding option that makes it behave all-or-none (i.e. an equivalent to --pickaxe-all), it is conceivable that you might want to say: $ git log --diff-filter=A --full-diff --diff-filter-all to view commits that add new files with full diffs (not just added paths). If we were to add that, I think it makes sense to internally have a flag separate from pickaxe-all to express it but when 'log' uses --full-diff, it does not make any sense not to enable it. In other words, $ git log -M --diff-filter=R -Sstring --full-diff should internally enable pickaxe-all and diff-filter-all and show all of diff that has renames in the paths that change "string" [*2*]. [Footnote] *1* I once wanted to do a Porcelain of my own, after finding it distasteful that Cogito tried to hide the index back when it did not even use the index properly for merges. But things have been improved quite a lot in Cogito land and I do not have anything against it anymore. And as you all know, I like StGIT very much. *2* This is actually in line with what we did in 582af688. As a member of 'log' family, 'git log' were originally meant to show commit messages for all commits that revision traversal gave it, regardless of the diff output (and without the diffcore transformation, when revision traversal said a commit is interesting, the commit always has some diff or a merge). When used in conjunction with --pickaxe and --diff-filter, however, this layering made the command much less useful. We fixed the problem by violating the layering and made the log command aware of the underlying diff machinery's output filter. I think the same would apply to the issue we are currently discussing. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html