Jens Lehmann <Jens.Lehmann@xxxxxx> writes: > So are there any reasons for the plumbing diff commands not to honor > the diff.ignoreSubmodules setting? There are two kinds of users of the plumbing. One class of plumbing users is scripts that is about automation and mechanization that want to control what they do precisely (think cron jobs) without getting affected by the user preference stored in the repository configuration. This class could either: (1) state what they want explicitly from the command line; or (2) rely on built-in defaults not changing underneath them. The behaviour of diff recursively inspecting submodule dirtiness has an unfortunate history, in that the behaviour changed over time, and in each step when we made a change, we thought we were making an unquestionable improvement. Originally we only said "submodule HEAD is different from what we have in the index/superproject HEAD". Later we added different kind of dirtiness like untracked files or modified contents in submodules, decided perhaps mistakenly that majority of users do want to see them as dirtiness and made that the default and allowed them to be ignored by an explicit request. At that point, in order not to break existing scripts (mostly of the "mechanization" class, written back when there was no such extra dirtyness hence with no "explicit refusal" route available to them without rewriting), hence "no configuration should affect plumbing randomly" policy. On the other hand, you may write user facing Porcelain in scripts and run plumbing from there. This class of plumbing users could either: (1) inspect the config itself, interpret the customization and pass an explicit command line flag; or (2) allow the plumbing honor the end user configuration stored in the repository or user configuration files. It is argurably more convenient for these users if the plumbing blindly honored the configurations, as it would have allowed the latter implementation. That way, we can be more lazy when writing our scripts, and ignore having to worry about new kinds of customization added to underlying git after a script is written---but new kinds of customization may break your script's expectation of what will and what will not be made customizable, and you would end up giving an explicit "do not use that feature" in some cases, so the being able to be lazy is not necessarily always a win. Things may have been a bit different if the original feature change to inspect submodules deeper, command line flags to control that behaviour and configuration to default the flags came at the same time, but unfortunately they happend over time. I think we have been slowly getting better at this, but in the case of this particular feature, the original introduction of --ignore-submodules was in May 2008, deeper submodule inspection and the richer --ignore-submodules=<kind> option came much later in June 2010, and the configuration was invented later in August 2010, which would mean that allowing the plumbing to honor configuration would have broken scripts written in the 2 years and 3 months period. And no, this does not call for a blanket "do / do not honor configuration" option to plumbing commands. A more selective "do / do not honor these configuration variables" option might be an option, though. By the way, could we please have a real sign-off, not with a one with a pseudonym, given to the series? -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html