Am 17.06.2010 02:39, schrieb Johan Herland: > But this is pure speculation, and as you say, I'd like to see what workflows > Jens and Heiko are actually using. Ok, here we go. And as I have difficulties thinking about that when looking at a single graph, I'll draw two: The upper for the superproject and the lower for the submodule. Superproject: -----2 [Alice's branch] / \ 1--3-----4---5 [master] \ / ------6 [Bob's branch] ^ ^ | | [commits of the submodule committed in the superproject] Submodule: ---B [feature_a] / \ A--C---D---E [master] \ / ----F [feature_b] Alice hacks away on her feature branch and notices she has to make changes to a submodule. She creates the "feature_a" branch there with commit 'B' and asks the maintainer of the submodule to review and merge her change. Our policy is to never commit submodule commits that are not merged yet, as they could just vanish (e.g. by rebasing; imagine having git as a submodule and committing a SHA1 from the "pu" branch in the superproject ... a later bisect might get really frustrating). So the submodule maintainer merges 'B' into 'D' and tells Alice that. She commits 'D' for the submodule in her '2' commit and asks the maintainer of the superproject to review and merge that. The moment he merges that into '4', 'D' gets recorded in the master branch of the superproject for the submodule. Meanwhile Bob also needs a change in the submodule for his work in the superproject and adds commit 'F' on the "feature_b" branch there. He waits for the submodule maintainer to merge that into 'E' so he can do commit '6'. But now the submodule commit 'D' in the superproject commit '4' has become an obstacle for him and the superprojects maintainer. Bob can't rebase or cherrypick beyond or up to '4' because he will get a merge conflict. If he asks to merge his branch into '5', the superprojects maintainer will get a merge conflict and tells to him to resolve that. This situation would disappear when git merge would do fast-forwards for submodule commits. And I argue that this is The Right Thing, because just as commit '5' contains /all/ changes from both branches to the files it should also contain /all/ changes to the submodules files that happened during these branches. And that means merge should resolve the submodule to commit 'E'. This is somehow similar to merging binary files. But for submodules Git has a chance to tell the combined version of both changes in the fast-forward case, whereas it can't know that for binary files. And yes, merge conflicts could happen for the same reasons they may happen to files: The changes in Bob's branch could break something in Alice's branch. But that applies for files just like it does for submodule commits, no? And the non-fast-forward case happens e.g. when Alice and Bob do not wait for the submodule maintainer to merge their changes: Superproject: ---2 [Alice's branch] / \ 1--3---4---5 [master] \ / ----6 [Bob's branch] ^ ^ | | [commits of the submodule committed in the superproject] Submodule: ---B [feature_a] / \ A--C---D---E [master] \ / ----F [feature_b] In this case submodule commit 'B' is recorded in '2' and thus '4', while commit 'F' will be recorded in '6'. So when '4' and '6' are merged, a valid guess for '5' would be to use submodule commit 'E', as it is the first one based on both 'B' and 'F'. But in this case it is not so clear that 'E' is the right commit, as there might be other commits present in the paths 'B'->'E' and 'F'->'E'. So 'E' is just a probable solution for the merge, but not one I would like to see automatically merged. But it should be proposed to the person doing the merge as a probable resolution of the conflict, so that she can decide if that is the case. And no 'special' branch is used here. But I think this approach will solve a lot of the problems we - and maybe others - have with submodule merges without doing any harm to other workflows. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html