Hi Sam! I would be happy to help out if I can. Not sure what I can do, but at least I'll try not to make life harder. ;) Reach me via email or #gimp. On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 12:30 PM Sam Gleske <sam.mxracer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hello gimp-dev and community, > I'd like to apologize for my remarks. I think my pride got in the way a > bit and I definitely misunderstood the intent of the thread. Hopefully, my > reaction does not turn of RedHat for wanting to contribute. I will take > this as an opportunity to reflect on my actions and work to continue to > improve myself. I definitely want to be seen as a healthy part of this > community and I really do appreciate and love what the GIMP dev team does. > > If anybody is interested in joining me as an admin for maintaining the GIMP > CI server I encourage anybody to reach out to me regardless of your skill > level. Even if you're new to Linux and wish to get better at Linux (zero > experience) I'm willing to provide you training and act as a senior for > advice in Linux system administration. > > I'll try to keep conversation more productive than my first reply to this > thread. I just wanted to publicly announce my apology since I started this > mess publicly. > > Thanks, > SAM > > On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 7:08 AM, Jehan Pagès <jehan.marmottard@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > > Hello Sam, > > > > On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:15 AM, Sam Gleske <sam.mxracer@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 6:03 AM, Jehan Pagès < > jehan.marmottard@xxxxxxxxx > > > > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:20 AM, gregory grey <ror6ax@xxxxxxxxx> > > wrote: > > >> > I know about build.gimp.org. > > >> > > > >> > I just wanted to raise this question to the attention of the team - > of > > >> > whether there is a need to support own CI if security is not an > > >> > issue.It is literally only reason people do that now when we have > > >> > travis-ci.org/https://circleci.com/etc.Travis is even free for > > >> > opensource projects. > > >> > > > >> > https://build.gimp.org/plugin/disk-usage/ looks pretty full to me, > > for > > >> > example. External CI do not have problems with that. > > >> > > >> We know of the disk usage issue: > > >> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=776631 > > >> That's one of the many issues which triggered us into either looking > > >> for alternative solutions or collaboration or whatever you want. > > >> Basically we want something which works, is useful and reliable. The > > >> "need" stops there. > > >> > > >> After, which software is it using? I think we don't really care. Now > > >> obviously we'd prefer our whole infrastructure to run on Free > > >> Software. And personally I like self-hosting for full control. But > > >> then there is reality check: it requires contributor time and > > >> administration skills. So in the end, the CI contributor(s) choose. In > > >> the GIMP team, our policy is more or less that the one who *do* are > > >> the one who are in charge of what they do. > > >> > > >> Jehan > > > > > > > > > Since I don't appear to be seen as a contributor or "doer" I'm happy to > > just > > > step down completely and remove myself from the project. Much as I > like > > > GIMP I don't really like the tone of the thread. > > > > I don't really understand what triggers this sudden anger but I see > > you are quoting one of my last emails. And if that is your trigger, > > then you got the opposite of its meaning since what it meant is that > > *you* were the one in charge since *you* are the one who does right > > now! So whoever who wants something different has to go through you > > first then help you make things happen. > > > > You are considered a contributor and a doer. That's even what I said > > in my first email (if you haven't, please read it: > > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/ > > 2016-September/msg00018.html), > > which was the most important, answering Vladimir and telling him to > > get in touch with you because you are the one making things happen > > right now. That's pretty much the definition of both a contributor of > > the project and a doer. > > > > Now if the problem is that we are welcoming additional administrators > > who want to help (especially if they could be backed by a big company > > like RedHat), I don't understand. Having additional administrators > > won't mean at all that we reject you or anything, quite the contrary > > (cf. again my first email). But if you absolutely want to be alone to > > administrate (and if that were your issue here), then yes it is a > > problem. You don't have all the time of the world to maintain > > perfectly the server (which is no big deal at all! You also have a > > life and do this voluntarily. We thank you for this), but several > > admins together could. Same as we are several developers (fortunately > > since none of us could maintain GIMP as well as now if we were alone). > > > > Our problem was clear: we have only 1 maintainer for continuous > > integration and you don't have unlimited time. So having a second > > person to help could be a good idea. Now if you really leave, we have > > 0 admins, and even if someone else stepped us, we'd be back at square > > 1. > > So this is it. I really want to make things clear because it seems you > > have been completely misinterpreting this 1-year old thread. Anyway > > you are free to choose and we still thank you for all what you have > > done until now. But just consider things with their proper meaning. > > :-) > > > > Jehan > > > > -- > > ZeMarmot open animation film > > http://film.zemarmot.net > > Patreon: https://patreon.com/zemarmot > > Tipeee: https://www.tipeee.com/zemarmot > > > _______________________________________________ > gimp-developer-list mailing list > List address: gimp-developer-list@xxxxxxxxx > List membership: > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list > List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list > -- https://patdavid.net GPG: 66D1 7CA6 8088 4874 946D 18BD 67C7 6219 89E9 57AC _______________________________________________ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address: gimp-developer-list@xxxxxxxxx List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
